As shite as he is, and he is. It's probably better than what we, and the players have to suffer through.
Jesus wept.
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Jesus wept.
It’s essentially what Poch did his first season. Around the 10 -12 game mark. In hindsight it paid off but it could have well and truly backfired on him.
So be brave.
Or you’re always going to be toast before the players.
Bet they would have had we offered them over £200k a week with a nice cash payment on top for them and their agents (all legally ). Just like the teams they went to would have done. But we all know we would have offered them half of that tops given our wage history under levy.
Eze the Woolwich fan from their youth set up was only ever going to them.
United would have trumped us. We can’t pay United money.
Yep but we didn’t seem to have an adequate backup plan did we?
We went into panic mode.
That's good ebough for some people in here!
FIGHT AND WIN
I've never been staunch in. You just don't understand nuance or can't read...
I never really wanted the man in the first place, What I was staunch about is that there is no point sacking managers every 10-15 games. It doesn't work for anyone. And now that he is here, that you have to give the man time to work. I would say that about anyone not just Frank. Which Is why I voted unsure on the poll, and why I don't think it will make a blind bit of difference sacking him. If Woolwich fans had their way Arteta would be long gone, but its looking like he is going to steer them to a title. Fans get caught up in pure emotion, you need cooler heads to prevail. Fans don't know what's best for them, a lot of people want Poch back based purely on nostalgia.
That's the colossal distinction you are missing.
The bottom line is the difference between me and you is that I know that this group of players are a bunch of down tools, pussies that turn up when they want and their bollox shrink to peanuts when its on top. You think somebody can come in with a magic wand and turn them into world beaters.
At least you can enjoy the majority of Saturday!
We don’t want to pay United money.
Anyway, I’m not talking about one window. I mentioned two but we can go back through each manager and it be the same, we both know that. They rarely get the players they want.
For years though we’ve used woefully inadequate players as the backup. This year for the LW we didn’t even do that.
I don’t know what the answer is. The fucking around late doors is on the club though - if we’d tried for Eze in July with the release fee we’d have had the same outcome but still had 5 weeks to address.
Fulham has no bearing. They're about as bad as we are. We could lose or win, it doesn't matter. Can we go on a run and get 3 wins on a row? Not a fucking chance. After the Fulham game, we have difficult games, again. We're going to be well in the bottom half come January, then February is even more difficult than it is now, and if he's still here, we're in real trouble.
We're also not going to get much in January should be stay, because the club aren't pumping £100m on a guy they think they might have to sack, and inflate the squad further with players the next coach won't want.
This is pretty much the story of any and all managers. Each and every one has a list, and that's usually because there's a limited number of top players and a lot of clubs
I was cautiously optimistic about him after ManU game. Cause I saw marginal improvements.
But after this game, I am feeling about cautiously pessimistic (not Frank out, not even close to it yet). Mainly because we borderline humiliated us in big London duel. FOR 2nd TIME IN A ROW.
I mean Chelsea game was awful. Having xG of 0,1 at home in fierce duel is true nightmare. But accidents do happen.
And now? In next such game? We finish with xG of 0,07 (!!). It is not an accident anymore.
You HAVE to learn from those mistakes. Next one has to be better than last, cannot rinse and repeat if the outcome is so poor.
I don't really have an issue with starting with 3 CB's. It can do the job.
But why the FUCK would you start with CM of Palhinha-Bentancur ?!? WHY? It does not work, we have seen that at least 10x this season already. And we are not on 20th game mark yet. I get that Frank does not have perfect players and options. And there is need for reinforcements in transfer windows. But there is absolutely no denying that from our players there ARE better options. First just by starting with 3 CMs. And even if with 2, then go with either Sarr or Bentancur next to Palhinha.
Making same mistakes over and over just erodes the trust in the manager quite honestly...
But after this game, I am feeling about cautiously pessimistic (not Frank out, not even close to it yet). Mainly because we borderline humiliated us in big London duel. FOR 2nd TIME IN A ROW.
I mean Chelsea game was awful. Having xG of 0,1 at home in fierce duel is true nightmare. But accidents do happen.
And now? In next such game? We finish with xG of 0,07 (!!). It is not an accident anymore.
You HAVE to learn from those mistakes. Next one has to be better than last, cannot rinse and repeat if the outcome is so poor.
I don't really have an issue with starting with 3 CB's. It can do the job.
But why the FUCK would you start with CM of Palhinha-Bentancur ?!? WHY? It does not work, we have seen that at least 10x this season already. And we are not on 20th game mark yet. I get that Frank does not have perfect players and options. And there is need for reinforcements in transfer windows. But there is absolutely no denying that from our players there ARE better options. First just by starting with 3 CMs. And even if with 2, then go with either Sarr or Bentancur next to Palhinha.
Making same mistakes over and over just erodes the trust in the manager quite honestly...
I agree but the manager has to still pick up a certain amount of points to afford him that time.
Frank isn't in any real danger yet but he has to sort the home form out quickly.
Because we can't rely on most of our points coming away from home, that's not sustainable over a full season.
Was Arteta finishing around 8th in his first few seasons?
But we had that under Ange and it didn't work. There was no fear to go and attack, issue is we didn't know how to defend.
Any manager needs longer than 5 months. If we sacked him why would any manager like Iraola, Glasner or any self respecting manager come here if they're just seeing managers sacked for struggling to begin with, whilst missing 10 players?
Genuinely, I don't understand modern fans or how fans have evolved. It's like spoilt children whose toy has broken and instead of seeing if it can be fixed they throw it out and hope the next one works better. No patience or time given, just throwing tantrums and crying until they get their way.
I agree and it’s why I believe the squad is a far bigger problem than Frank.
The manager getting the bullet and bringing in another mug without serious squad surgery and investment is totally pointless.
There’s no question on that. Always left short.
People were complaining that we spent the entire summer on Eze.
The reality is that Woolwich dicked him about for months, and were expecting to sign him as soon as the window opened. They didn't. We moved. Eze stalled. Woolwich blinked.
People are saying that we should have tried harder, but at the time were saying that we should have moved on. It's a paradox. It was never going to happen unless Woolwich passed on him, and that isn't in our control.
If we did sign Eze, there's every chance people would be going on like we blundered by not signing Xavi, with the exact same arguments.
Can't understand nuance..... Ironic much? What's happening is exactly what I said would happen, and it'll continue to get worse because he's completely out of his depth.
Beg to disagree RE sacking. Sacked Nuno when it was a really obvious mistake, Forest sacked Ange when it was a very obvious mistake. Both instances there off the top of my head were the right decision.
There's absolutely nothing good about this. He can't pick a team, his "tactics" are diabolical, he can't motivate the players, they look miserable. We're only where we are in the league through blind luck, after a very easy opening schedule.
Just giving him time, just because, while we capitulate, is stupid.
But clubs like us can make it easier for ourselves by paying the going rate.
(I’m being hypocritical here btw, because I think the players are paid far too much. Wages are out of control and aren’t a motivating factor in increasing performance any more).