Even with a fit squad, Ange had been found out. See: Forest.
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Manager Thomas Frank
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Is it? Is that what Woolwich have done with Arteta? Did they sack him after two 8th place finishes?
Did Bournemouth sack Iraola after not winning a league game in his first 10 games?
If you keep sacking managers then why would any decent manager come here? What time frame do you give them?
Top manager.
Glasner
Iraola
Xavi
Was my list post ange.
Top 2 seemed ungettable for us for whatever reason. And I understand the massive risk with xavi .
Frank ultimately seemed like a safe choice to steady the club to guide ys somewhere between 10th and 7th amd not be losing every week.
The results are now matching negative stats which we've been expecting. It's on him now to adapt , fulham will be so interesting.
If he starts Palhinha and bentancur at home he's probably never gonna be the right fit
I agree, Sometimes a manager is not suited for a Club, if the manager is not the right fit then the best thing to do is to get rid of them.
Conte was the one we failed to back. Pulled off a miracle to get us top 4 and he bullied Arteta in his only NLD.
Conte plays a back 5 and we refused to sign him a top defender that summer. Lenglet on loan instead of Bastoni or Kim!
That 2022 Summer was the time to go for it. Conte was clearly disillusioned by the project after it and just wanted his sacking payoff, then a ton of personal issues probably led to his outburst after Southampton.
That second half of the 21-22 season was the last time I was truly excited by this club, the job he did with that squad and how competitive he got us against teams like Liverpool and City was incredible. Such a downer then the window and season that came after it.
Even if we got Glasner, we don't have the patience amongst our fans to let him get his ways across. If he struggled in his first 6 months the same fans would be calling for his head and bemoaning the Ange sacking, crying back for Poch and spunking over Conte again.. It's a boring, repetitive cycle which is part of the problem.
Conte had his dodgy moments but not backing him is right up there as one of our worst decisions.
I never once claimed Ange lost the dressing room. He never did! The players ran for every ball under ange and more often than not risked injury or went against medical advice to play for ange.
This is not the case here. The players are not behind Frank at all.
Difference is Chelsea and Man U go again. They don't shit themselves cause they got burnt once or twice. Chelsea are absorbing 300k a week for a player not even in their squad and training with the reserves. That contract runs out in 2027... hasn't stopped them going big and often this summer and they will do the same next summer. For the record our revenue stream is higher than theirs. They don't even have a shirt sponsor.
I'm not done with Frank yet.
But this prevalent notion here that a manager, once he somehow got the job, should as a matter of principle be given an arbitrary amount of time puts me off so much. This is not a charity.
Is this also the part of Doing Things The Right Way™ that is ridiculed here for good reasons when it comes to transfers and such?
But this prevalent notion here that a manager, once he somehow got the job, should as a matter of principle be given an arbitrary amount of time puts me off so much. This is not a charity.
Is this also the part of Doing Things The Right Way™ that is ridiculed here for good reasons when it comes to transfers and such?
I'm talking about the injuries to Madders, Kulu and Solanke. Obviously. benched as in crocked. Perhaps I could have made that clearer.
Doubt it...
I think the way he’s set up so far shows little ambition tbh - it’s rare for me to not be 100% behind the manager but this particular chap feels a poor fit.
Of course he doesn’t. Anyone with a brain would see using 17th last season to indicate progress is a bad idea
Will these player coming back make any difference? Who does Kulu start ahead of yesterday? We didn't even start Simons so how is Frank going to fit Kulu/Simons/Kudus into the same team? He's shown no attacking flexibility at all so far so very hard to imagine how he'll make that trio work together.
And Solanke being back means Muani/Richarlison on the bench so Tel just gets omitted from the match day squads? Would maddison have started yesterday in our negative 5-2-2-1 set up? I don't think Maddison would start in a defensive formation like that, same way Simons didn't start yesterday.
We could have all them players available and nothing would have been different yesterday imo.
Oh we are angry alright. I'm still fucking livid this morning.
Why are we directing everything at the geezer who stands on the touchline though, particularly when most of us without the benefit of hindsight would probably have set up the exact same way yesterday.
I'ts mostly the spineless players that can't motivate themselves to fight like hell in a NLD that I'm directing my ire at.
We could have had any manager in the world in the dugout yesterday and we would have got tonked and bullied purely because they didn't show any fight or bottle at all as a collective.
Hold my beer.... I got dice to throw...
Short answer. Yesterday, probably not as I think setting up defensivley was the correct decision.
For the rest of the season so far they would have made a huge difference and I wager we would look a lot better going forwards in general.