You've seen enough evidence to suggest that Frank will find a system that includes Maddison Kulusevski and Kudus away to Woolwich? I don't think he would have. He'd have done the back 5 with Bentancur and Palhinha yesterday regardless of who was available. Let's not pretend poor Frank had no choice! He'd Simons on the bench yesterday
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Not really. He needs to finish higher than 17th because that is where the last guy finished in the prior season. He doesn’t need to finish 5th because Ange barely scraped that with one game a week and prime, world class forward in Son still firing + contributing to 27 league goals.
The trophy thing is irrelevant - managers are judged on league performance because it is the only marker of quality. Not beating Bodo and AZ Alkmaar. You can glam it up all you like by saying “European trophy” - the actual football teams we played to win it won’t change.
Frank may or may not be shit, but he’s not going to finish on 38 points. Which is basically all he needs to do to be better. We’re top 10 in the CL in Europe - comparably the teams we’ve beaten are at least as good as the teams we beat in the Europa league run.
I mean Christ, mate. Look at what we did to Copenhagen. They’re a ropey league team. That’s the calibre of team we beat to get to the final.
No.
Only a nut job would sack the manager, with a squad in this state.
We lost to the scum, because they are in their 7th year of consistent development and investment...
In the same time, the Spurs, spent vaste amounts of money on shit.
£160 million for Solanke, Richy, and Johnson.
Odobert, Tel, blew millions on Werner...
The list goes on...
We are so far behind the scum because of one man. Levy.
Based on ITKs during the summer, and what he did at Brendford (also, he is a Scandinavian) , He wants players like MGW, Morgan Rogers, Wharton, Mbeumo, etc.
Basically, he wants players to first have effort, strength, fight, physicality, stamina. Then flair, style, is a good to have treat. He seems to not mind having one or two silky players, but his view seems to be that basic team structure should consist of grit and determination. We do not have this type of players atm except for 2 or 3 maybe.
He does not know what to do, or how to coach the likes of Tel, Odobert, Xavi, Johnson, because you cannot teach toughness. Richy has physical toughness and determination, but he lack the very important football IQ.
If the club is to stick with him, he will need at least January, and next summer to start shaping the squad the way he wants.
I, perosnaly, much prefer to have a manager who knows football, and how to adjust and adapt to get the most of his players, individually and collectively based on their skills and attributes. That's why I really wanted Glasner, and still want Naglesman. These type of managers, no matter what players they have, they get their teams performing.
But, it is early. Remember the pain Arteta had to go through while shaping that team. They look now like the finished product. So, maybe patience might be the choice here. Unless Nagelsman becomes available
Basically, he wants players to first have effort, strength, fight, physicality, stamina. Then flair, style, is a good to have treat. He seems to not mind having one or two silky players, but his view seems to be that basic team structure should consist of grit and determination. We do not have this type of players atm except for 2 or 3 maybe.
He does not know what to do, or how to coach the likes of Tel, Odobert, Xavi, Johnson, because you cannot teach toughness. Richy has physical toughness and determination, but he lack the very important football IQ.
If the club is to stick with him, he will need at least January, and next summer to start shaping the squad the way he wants.
I, perosnaly, much prefer to have a manager who knows football, and how to adjust and adapt to get the most of his players, individually and collectively based on their skills and attributes. That's why I really wanted Glasner, and still want Naglesman. These type of managers, no matter what players they have, they get their teams performing.
But, it is early. Remember the pain Arteta had to go through while shaping that team. They look now like the finished product. So, maybe patience might be the choice here. Unless Nagelsman becomes available
Back to this BS argument...Nothing else matters.... You see him lifting the cup here? Lol
The assie wank jockey, nearly got us relegated too.
Winning that cup was the least he could do, for the amount of times he embarrassed the club.
This is the fear, I don't really have any confidence that he will profile our returning players or new recruits properly because we haven't seen much of it so far.
I can't get the 4 through passes all season out of my head, nor can I get the created the 2nd worst chances in the Prem thing either - it doesn't matter who's in the team (unless you're prime Kane or Son) there's not a lot that can be done with that style of play or that setup.
At this point we're just praying for change, we're hoping that this was a rude awakening that slaps him back to reality and realise that he can't carry on setting up like this, we said that after Chelsea mind you...
In the first 12 League games last season Spurs had an xG of 26.44, and an xGA of 16,52..
In the 12 league games so far this season Spurs have an xG of 12.78 and an xGA of 17.12
We are actually worse defensively than this time last year and, offensively, our numbers are catastrophically different.
I think you need to revise your definition of "better" and, if not that, then your use of the term "definitely"
However you like it dawg. Until yesterday it was different. We are aware of the issues.
Let's see how the season progresses.
You keep lashing out at everyone as if we wanted Frank- the vast majority of us did not. You might want to think about that before you lash out again.
Considering how badly we underperformed under Ange, and how relatively ineffectual Kudus and Simons have been so far in this system, we might actually have a worse squad this season having gotten rid of Son.
Frank obviously compounds the problems by constantly setting us up too defensively.
I do agree.......but something has to change as the football has been absolutely atrocious.
I don't know about you, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to sit there week in week out and watch the utter turgid football that we're being served up.
At this stage, I'm willing to give Frank all the time we can....but not if he keeps doing the same thing week in week out with not even a sense that he's going to be able to pick a team for the occasion.
Our XG seems to get worse every game.
I think if we're honest, Frank is in Nuno danger territory at present.
Even if I agreed with your assumptions (and many I do, some I don't ie: the unprecedented injury crisis was the primary cause of our league position not the manager) - it's beside the point.
The promise was "change the manager and everything will be better". That was never going to be the case. Not in the way
" A half decent coach will shore us up at the back". Frank is more than half decent but... we ain't shored up shit. Not yet (some good signs in the Villa game but that feels like years ago now and we lost so the nuance is lost on most people).
The real test is in stadium. And those guys are ready to bay for blood in a way they never were with Ange. NOT because Ange is better than Frank but because the project held some hope and some football.
And expectation was unrealistically set by those who promised us the real problem was the manager - when we both know the real problem is a catastrophic lack of quality forward of defence.
Frank's job was made harder - and perhaps untenable - by the complete fiction that Postecoglou was the major problem at our football club last season. He was A problem but a tiny one compared to recruitment.
Yeah there are some alarming metrics and it all goes back to how he sets up the team. The fullbacks and our 2 sitting midfielders are not getting ahead of the ball. It feels like we always have atleast 7 players behind the ball. Most our threat is from set pieces now. It's like that's all we do in training!
I think the Fulham game is massive for him. He needs to display some form of attacking play and we need to create loads of chances. We need to see an attacking performance. I'd almost prefer we drew the game 2-2 and had 20 shots on goal and be unlucky, then beating them 1-0 with a set peice goal. I need to see a performance at this stage. The results aren't papering over the cracks anymore.
If people said Frank can win the Europa League since its so easy, the reverse can be true you know. Get Frank to start games with Danso/Davies/Dragusin with Gray in CBs for a handful of games. See how we cope. Fair?
He doesn't even have the balls to play just one of Bentancur or Palhinha. If there come days of Romero and VdV out for prolonged periods, he will be playing triple pivot or even quadruple pivot in midfield scared shit with 5 at the back I kid you not. He's that coward.
Anyway, the argument is not BS. I'm just replying to another poster on how we shall see Emeryball or Dycheball could fluke their way to lifting it this season.
And it's etched into the history no matter how you guys hated it and couldn't accept it. Ange lifted the Europa Cup. At least he has the balls to break the duck. Frank couldn't even muster a 0.1xG against two of the our greatest rivals. Get that registered, not even 0.1xG.. We got 0.06xG and 0.01xG ffs.
Pathetic
Yep. That's why if I was betting man he won't last.
Are we going to see any radical change in the coming weeks? We might. We hope, but based on what we've seen so far it's unlikely.
Players being out is not the MAIN problem.
The coaching, set up and approach is.
That's what needs to change.
Lashing out? Lol - I was just disproving your statement with facts. I know you don't like that but hey... I like facts.
If you don't say stuff that is factually incorrect I won't pull you up on it. We've been here before.
Don’t think it’s impossible. Depends how we play and how the crowd react. If the fans completely turn, especially after all the home performances then he’s in trouble.
We were never in danger of relegation. We finished 13 points clear of Leicester, who finished in 18th position.
Vinai said he ticked all the boxes but as I have said numerous times what boxes? Surely educated men like Vinai and levy would have wanted some of the above. If not then that is gross negligence.
I think the main thing was to get someone to play proper attacking football with both defence and forwards playing their role. Frank must have convinced them he would get us to play like poch or redknspp team. He even mentioned it in his pc when he joined about being brave and taking risks. His also said it numerous times before games about going out on front foot and attacking. He said that before chavs game and we played one of the worst games ever. He said before goons but again we did not play like that. Either he is bull shitting and has no intention to play front foot attacking pressing football or he the instructions are confusing. It’s all BS.
No worries- lets count the points later.
Frank already has more wins than Ange does this season- also a fact.
Much of the injury crisis was of Ange's own making. At best he overplayed many key players not understanding how bad our medical staff was. Please don't forget Ange's own hand in his underperformance when you start romanticizing about the past.