Not great, tbh.
That quote coming from the manager of a Big 6 club is reprehensible.
He'd be pilloried to Hell and back for those comments if he was manager of one of our two biggest rivals. And justifiably so.
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That quote coming from the manager of a Big 6 club is reprehensible.
He'd be pilloried to Hell and back for those comments if he was manager of one of our two biggest rivals. And justifiably so.
Bloke needs to stop fucking talking he's making it worse. Ridiculous shit he's spouting. I thought we'd done with the fairytale when fat Ange went.
At this time last year we were 6th, 4 points off second, with a GD of +14 and had just thrashed City 0-4 on their own deck.
I completely agree that Frank deserves more patience but this isn't the best comparison to make
We're currently 5 points off second.... 18 points vs 19 last year.... 1 less loss vs last year.
The diff is negligible.
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You are right, it's the manner of the defeats that is so disturbing. In most of the losses the fans are questioning the players effort, whether the players are proud to be wearing the Tottenham shirt. That's a horrible thing to be thinking about your own players. But some of the performances are so poor and it is difficult to see a reason for that.
Sacking managers mid season is usually not the solution unless you have a better manager ready to go. I will assume that Frank will stay to the end of season and the club will look to get Poch, Tuchel, Glasner or Iraola to come. Whether any of those guys want the job is another story.
Tbh, as catastrophically shite as we've been in recent weeks, I genuinely think we'll see improvement if we stick it out with Frank. If the board back the manager and the players realise he's going nowhere, we'll get better over time. He's gonna keep trying stuff and eventually he'll alight upon a system that works, especially with players returning and signings made. He's not like Ange who would keep banging his head against a brick wall doing the exact same thing and expecting different results - I reckon he'll start mixing things up and seeking solutions. I think this period right now is the worst it will ever be.
However, I think the bigger issue is that whatever solutions he comes up with will still probably only be upper-mid table quality at best. We'll improve but only from a level of abject shite to general competence, and still be an ugly watch no doubt. I think that probably won't be enough to earn him a 2nd season (unless we go on a genuinely great run in the final stretch the buys him time).
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Nearly 30% may decide against Frank in 2 weeks! Do we really believe that Frank can conquer a team out if what he inherited ?
Unfortunately he said that he would have bought Johnson and Gray but doesn't play either of them. This is my only criticism of him so far, that he has to try to butter up things that he thinks will please supporters or management.
He needs to start to try to buy the players that will improve us and succeed. Our team with MGW and Eze would look far more attacking.
Sign Toney and get this show on tbe road.
Unfortunately he said that he would have bought Johnson and Gray but doesn't play either of them. This is my only criticism of him so far, that he has to try to butter up things that he thinks will please supporters or management.
He needs to start to try to buy the players that will improve us and succeed. Our team with MGW and Eze would look far more attacking.
Sign Toney and get this show on tbe road.
No, he can't conquer with this team. He can, though, show something a little better than watching paint dry. I don't dislike Frank, but I honestly believe he's a good coach to lead teams mid-table and to ensure survival. I have seen enough, in my opinion, to agree with the sentiment that Frank plays "not to lose."
I will always wish our manager success. Frank is no different. I hope he proves me wrong; however, I can't see the fans eating up 90 minutes of the crap dished up so far.
Out of curiosity, how many teams in the last 20 years have won a major trophy playing a defensive style? i.e. surrender the ball, sit back and wait for the other team to make a mistake. Don't commit players forward in open play attacks, wait for set pieces.
Chelsea under Jose maybe? (but they were actually more attacking than people give credit for). Athletico is the only other that comes to mind.
Spurs sold Harry Kane and turned into the best attacking team in the league, winning their first major trophy in decades. Ange had put the winning mentality back into the club - its mind blowing that Spurs didn't go out and hire an attacking coach; and compliment it with some solid defensive signings to cover for injuries.
Frank needs to get the team back on the front foot and stop them hiding scared in their own 18-yard box, blocking shot after shot; hoping one doesn't sneak through.
Chelsea under Jose maybe? (but they were actually more attacking than people give credit for). Athletico is the only other that comes to mind.
Spurs sold Harry Kane and turned into the best attacking team in the league, winning their first major trophy in decades. Ange had put the winning mentality back into the club - its mind blowing that Spurs didn't go out and hire an attacking coach; and compliment it with some solid defensive signings to cover for injuries.
Frank needs to get the team back on the front foot and stop them hiding scared in their own 18-yard box, blocking shot after shot; hoping one doesn't sneak through.
Enzo Maresca was almost sacked last season...Arteta was close to getting the sack, too, a few seasons back... and, going further back, so were Klopp and Fergie as well (i.e. close to getting the sack).
I am not saying Frank will turn out to be as good as some of them but a head-coach need more than a 1/3 of a season to turn a team around - one that ended 17th in the EPL last season...
I am not saying Frank will turn out to be as good as some of them but a head-coach need more than a 1/3 of a season to turn a team around - one that ended 17th in the EPL last season...
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Sensible post.
This Spurs throw-in against Arsenal says everything about where they …
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6833271/2025/11/24/tottenham-throw-in-spence-Woolwich/
Another piece on the Woolwich game. I guess when we're performing as bad as we are and with no positives at all to take from how we are playing and the set up then pieces like this will continue
17th 17th 17th
Why do people go on about it like that is how good we are. Everyone including you know full well the league season was fucked off at the end of Feb. The squad last season was way better than 17th... its ike you'll be happy if we finish 16th... its BS. We finished 5th the season before. Why are you not using that as a barometer??? Its just lazy to say don't forget we finished 17th last season like its okay to be shit this season.
This years squad is weaker than last years squad tho
Totally agree but don't recall any of them playing this negative and sounding this negative.
Up and down results, varying degrees of inconsistency....yes... but not sounding and playing this negative.
Yeah, bar Kudus, the summer buys were replacements for better injured players and Bissouma.
I don’t think some realise how much weaker it is. There is one goal scorer we can select and it’s Johnson, an incredibly limited player. The players with actual match-changing quality from last season are not available to play. Our best attacker by a mile is Kudus who had a bad season at West Ham last year.
I do give Frank some leeway because he is working with such a poor selection of attackers and it’s clear that without talismanic players like Kane/Son, the players lack belief. It’s natural. But if Frank is the right man he will overcome that and he has to do it quickly.
I would never say his Brentford team were weak-willed or played without courage, but can he translate that mindset to a bigger club? Especially a strange club like ours with a very weak sporting culture yet the expectations to compete at the top end? At the moment it’s giving Graham Potter at Chelsea vibes.
Kudus looks a poor buy
Looks like a 5 a side player… or a cracking U12 that gets completely lost and swamped when they step up to 11 a side at U13
Yes he's gaslighting the fans and that's exactly what Postecoglou did. We can not have this, the fan base despite the pikes here is too savvy for it. Stop telling us its Sauvingnon Blanc when its Sunny Delight. Tell the truth its early we are bedding in our ideas and what you see today will not be what you see tomorrow and after a few TW. I think it will be good for the squad to know some of them will not be here in the long term. Start them living with some pressure.