Did he not bring all his back room staff?
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Did he not bring all his back room staff?
Nah that's just hindsight talking. Levy had his clownish tendencies but from both a footballing and a financial perspective the goal is always European football at the absolute minimum. If the club didn't think Frank had the potential to bring us that they never would've brought him in. As for the summer - we did spend 100m+ quid on 2 highly-touted attackers and signed 2 very well established loan players. We've had far, far worse windows (on paper at least). If anything it's as much Frank priorisiting signing Palhinha's profile over a passing mid that has screwed us, rather than the club's ambition (and lots of fans were v.happy with that move at the time).
I think the board were basically hoping Frank would be a 'sensible' antidote to Ange's worst tendencies, adapt his Brentford style to be more attacking and coach/improve our young players like he did at Brentford.
Wouldn't be surprised if they were looking at Arteta's focus on combining control with having massive lads/bossing set pieces and thinking Frank might be the guy to bring that to Spurs over a long term project.
If you ever bring in a guy who hasn't managed at the top there's always an element of risk and it's simply looking like the punt isn't coming off. That doesn't means the board didn't want it to, though. And you could easily say no top 6 team appoints Arteta or Marezca too btw... sometimes unproven punts come off if you pick the right guy.
Football looks pretty dreadful. But we all know the job to rebuild the entire fabric, culture, staff, squad and infrastructure at the club is huge. At some point we have to back someone to sort it out. Or we’ll be changing managers every 1-2 years for eternity and getting nowhere for it. It’s fucking miserable right now. But sacking Frank would achieve nothing.
The problem here lies completely at the top.
THFC PLC has become an entertainment business, NFL, concerts, boxing, go karts and, oh yeah a football team.
As a result, if the football team doesn't do so well it's ok because we are generating money elsewhere and thus, no need to invest too heavily.
We have lost our identity as a football club.
As for Frank, I fear he is out of his depth and attacking fans, as Ange did at Bournemouth, is the start of a slippery slope.
Not that I go, but I completely understand the reaction of fans. You are paying top dollar and getting nothing in return. 3 wins all year ffs !!!.
The goons winning the league, which they sadly will, only adds to the pressure.
Not good times but this has been growing for some while.
THFC PLC has become an entertainment business, NFL, concerts, boxing, go karts and, oh yeah a football team.
As a result, if the football team doesn't do so well it's ok because we are generating money elsewhere and thus, no need to invest too heavily.
We have lost our identity as a football club.
As for Frank, I fear he is out of his depth and attacking fans, as Ange did at Bournemouth, is the start of a slippery slope.
Not that I go, but I completely understand the reaction of fans. You are paying top dollar and getting nothing in return. 3 wins all year ffs !!!.
The goons winning the league, which they sadly will, only adds to the pressure.
Not good times but this has been growing for some while.
Also saying crap like we can only play 10 good games a year or something like that. As well saying we will lose games. Can you imagine Fergie, pep, kloop, Carlo etc saying shit like that. Real good way of motivating the team.
Wasn’t vinai heavily involved. He was the one boasting how Frank ticked all the boxes of all the candidates they went through in selection process. Said it in a previous post I want to know what their analysis was based on and what other coaches did they consider and deem not as good as Frank. Some transparency would be good. He was so sure of himself and smug about it. What does he know about football anyway. I guess they leaned heavily on fellow Dane Lange for the appointment. If Frank is binned then Lange and vinai should go to. They are the ones who says he was this tactical genius. He doesn’t even Dane a game
Very hard to find common ground when I have become such a cynic. So I have to say you could be right, as much as I am, if not more.
European football I don’t know if it’s as important as it once was, Europa yeah, in some circumstances, but conference. Nah. Champions League I think is not on the table for the foreseeable future. So is it worth say £200m in player investment rather than £100m to get Europa ? Probably not.
Xavi & Kudas, yeah accept they were decent on paper, but this far big question marks exist. The timing of the Xavi deal and the last minute loan of Muani make me question what their actual planning was in the summer. Neither would be here if they did what they seemed to want to do in the summer, so that’s a worry.
Palhinha replacing Bentancur made sense.
Playing them both makes no sense. Personally the transfer left me wondering what their actual planning was? it was obvious for almost 2 seasons that we needed a MGW type box to box player ( whoops ) you don’t do the Palhinha deal when you know the priority is not that profile. Maybe there is some Bissouma shaped problem that better explains what is going on with our midfield and that decision. Or was there some deal with Bayern to take players as part of the Kane deal ? That would not be strategic, but opportunistic.
Tottenham keep looking at other teams and determining they want to be like them, rather than be like “us”. It is very much an issue. We don’t have an identity that is not comical.
Tottenham cannot be Brighton or Brentford etc, simply because whereas Brighton might get a player for £10m. We won’t. It will be £15m.
And that is the problem, our dearly departed Chairman wouldn’t, it seems, pay the Tottenham premium. Like United / Woolwich / Liverpool there is always a premium, which is why we over value players when we flog them and under value them when we buy them. It’s a vicious circle.
The stadium is also a factor where it is more important than the football team, and that can in the worse situation see a Coventry situation. It’s a worry all around.
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Brilliant post
It's the Nuno mistake again, basically.Wasn’t vinai heavily involved. He was the one boasting how Frank ticked all the boxes of all the candidates they went through in selection process. Said it in a previous post I want to know what their analysis was based on and what other coaches did they consider and deem not as good as Frank. Some transparency would be good. He was so sure of himself and smug about it. What does he know about football anyway. I guess they leaned heavily on fellow Dane Lange for the appointment. If Frank is binned then Lange and vinai should go to. They are the ones who says he was this tactical genius. He doesn’t even Dane a game
Hoping a guy that broadly specialises in playing pretty direct, attritional football and excels at making smaller clubs punch above their weight can change their style and adapt to a big club.
We apparently used Nuno's middling spell at Valencia as justification that he could play attacking football in a back 4 and I would be surprised if we looked at Frank's Championship side as evidence he could do the same.
Unlike Nuno, I think Frank could potentially pull this around and make us a functional top 5-8 team, but my sense is that, like Nuno, he's a good manager but not a good Spurs manager.
Yes, but Frank is demonstrably not that guy. It's a conundrum isn't it? If there was a hint of improvement, we should absolutely back him, but what is the point of sticking with someone who is floundering worse as each week goes by?
Said this all along. I want to know how the other contenders rated in their KPIs. If glassner was on the list there is no way in the world he would havecworse kpis. He has top level experience in two leagues, won fa cup and Europa with Frankfurt, knows how to okay 2/3 games a week, etc. surely those are better than anything Frank can offer. Glassner also good at developing players just look at Wharton under him.
I was right 3 players took turns to take thrown. Absolute pathetic. Harry , Fergie, klopp would have gone bananas.
Frank has said its "fair" for Porro to post that statement.
Hes not acknowledging what some Spurs fans sacrifice to be at that stadium supporting the club.
3 wins in a calendar year at home is a disgrace, and Frank is better off saying "no comment" or actually acknowledging our perspective.
I posted earlier that if Frank cant get the group under control in terms of the respect towards us fans, then its going to be over for Frank before he knows it.
Thing is recently we have invested shitloads on the team. We're one of the biggest spenders in Europe on transfers at least. I don't think we can blame lack of spending anymore - it's more the way we've gone about it has been a combination of messy and shite. It's always been penny wise, pound foolish and (Ndombele aside) spunking big on transfers but terrified of big wages.
There's been no cohesive long term footballing strategy at the club...ever under Levy. He just blew with the wind and swang back and forth constantly. From about 2005-2016 we were a bit ahead of the curve and one of the better run clubs as most clubs were run even worse but since then everyone else has caught us up and we've largely been mismanaged.
I think the board will continue to invest pretty heavily, but we need to get away from Levy's obsession with 'finding value' in the market and start picking the right players rather than players with a year left on their contract/at clubs with PSR issues. If we'd just gone big on quality a handful of times and paid the wages required rather than buying 3 middling options in each position we'd be a lot better off on the pitch and not even too much worse off financially.
I said get Scott £20M but no we went got someone else. Spurs fan as well better than all
Of our midfielders. We should have gone in for Wharton jan 24 as well. Ffs what a midfitt er if we could have had.
Im talking more about those in suits.