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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?


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Yup. Strambouli, Kaboul, Chadli, Soldado - world beaters when he walked through the door

You might have fucked up there by selecting one of, if not 'the', best players from that first season (Chadli).

But regardless, the question remains - where are the 'world beaters' in this squad?

So far Muani is a lot worse than Soldado, who actually scored a league goal
Pretty sure Kaboul was his captain.
 
The Liverpool game was a strange one, but getting lost in all the discussions of the weirdness that went on is the fact that Spurs went toe to toe with one of the best teams in the world and didn't back down. Just as the Forest game said something about where the team is at, so did the Liverpool match. Inconsistent young squad that is putting things together. Maybe it's the holiday season, but I'm not in the mood for doom and gloom. I think things are slowly coming together and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. Who knows, maybe a few presents under the tree in the transfer window, too.

Lonely Zach Galifianakis GIF
 
Near half a season update on through balls for those interested, which has been a matter of discussion and bewilderment here. Let's start with the definition because simply posting numbers would be pointless if not disingenuous without knowing what they're referring to:



Not super clear admittedly, but still enough to allow us to create a mental image of some sort I reckon.




As a side note, assuming that Keith Andrews has largely kept intact what he inherited from Frank, it's interesting to see how low Brenford are also ranked there.

It would be a reach to call this a pattern with Frank and his teams based on this data alone, but there could be something there to take a deeper look at.
How can you play through balls when you are clearly coached to spam crosses in all the time? Ball is never in central areas enough
 
Based on what? One got a team promoted and stayed a mid table PL team. One recently got sacked from the championship…
His Boro team were good to watch... and remember, there is a chance he will be better with better players... much like Kompany. Got Burnley relegated and walked into the Bayern job... anything has to be better than Frank's turgid shit.
 
If you're taking a punt on an ex Spur you'd be better off going for Keiron McKenna but i think the job is so big now and the patience so thin both him and Carrick could be gone in 10/15 matches. Its a right mess, more and more coming round to Poch again as he's done it with us before in a not dissimilar situation, albeit we're worse now and he'd would get more buy in from the fanbase. No perfect scenario out there.
 
You might have fucked up there by selecting one of, if not 'the', best players from that first season (Chadli).

But regardless, the question remains - where are the 'world beaters' in this squad?

So far Muani is a lot worse than Soldado, who actually scored a league goal
Pretty sure Kaboul was his captain.
7 goals for Soldado - although 4 were penalties 😅 therefore richi is prolific 🤣 the "world beaters" were unearthed by a proper manager. Demebele had been sporadic for a couple of years, not the Beast he became. Walker and Rose were members of "brainfarts anonymous" and we had one decent striker (who makes Biss look dedicated).......i think they're there - lwb, moore, vuksovic coming through as Kane did. But you need a manager with the minerals to play them (and get results at the same time)
 
You might have fucked up there by selecting one of, if not 'the', best players from that first season (Chadli).

But regardless, the question remains - where are the 'world beaters' in this squad?

So far Muani is a lot worse than Soldado, who actually scored a league goal
Pretty sure Kaboul was his captain.
Chadli was bait. He wasn't a superstar signing. Townsend was shyte......yet they were turned into useful players with a proper manager. Same proper manager could do it now with Odobert, Moore etc
 
There shouldn't be an argument about whether Ange or Frank is best.
It should be whether either of them are any good.
Ange wasn't. Won a 2nd tier comp in truly bizarre circumstances doing nothing in his own playbook.
It's now just a question of whether Frank is just as bad.
 
7 goals for Soldado - although 4 were penalties 😅 therefore richi is prolific 🤣 the "world beaters" were unearthed by a proper manager. Demebele had been sporadic for a couple of years, not the Beast he became. Walker and Rose were members of "brainfarts anonymous" and we had one decent striker (who makes Biss look dedicated).......i think they're there - lwb, moore, vuksovic coming through as Kane did. But you need a manager with the minerals to play them (and get results at the same time)

What kind of argument is this? So Poch did have better players? Muani can only score against PSG. So we don't have "world beaters"?
We also had Kane who was scoring and playing in the PL before Poch.

I'm totally lost at the point anyone is trying to argue now. On one hand, you're saying Poch had a shit squad, even though most of our best squad under Poch was already there by this point in his first season.
So are we or are we not arguing that Frank has a similar level of quality??
 
If you're taking a punt on an ex Spur you'd be better off going for Keiron McKenna but i think the job is so big now and the patience so thin both him and Carrick could be gone in 10/15 matches. Its a right mess, more and more coming round to Poch again as he's done it with us before in a not dissimlar situation, albeit we're worse now and he'd would get more buy in from the fanbase. No perfect scenario out there.

I like McKenna a lot. Good football, seems to be tactically flexible, has a good personality that can handle the media. It would be a huge gamble employing him but we've tried every type of manager possible without success ( apart from :angecup: which was beautiful but it didn't work out in the PL) so why not give a guy like McKenna a chance.
 
I like McKenna a lot. Good football, seems to be tactically flexible, has a good personality that can handle the media. It would be a huge gamble employing him but we've tried every type of manager possible without success ( apart from :angecup: which was beautiful but it didn't work out in the PL) so why not give a guy like McKenna a chance.
I dont mind him, think he has potential but suspect he'd be eaten alive. Half our fans are obsessed by big names, 'proven winners' and which club we got the manager from so they'd be sniffy from the off. The players are a bunch of non performing ego's so every chance they wouldnt buy in either. I just dont think he'd get the time and respect to turn this around.
 
What kind of argument is this? So Poch did have better players? Muani can only score against PSG. So we don't have "world beaters"?
We also had Kane who was scoring and playing in the PL before Poch.

I'm totally lost at the point anyone is trying to argue now. On one hand, you're saying Poch had a shit squad, even though most of our best squad under Poch was already there by this point in his first season.
So are we or are
What kind of argument is this? So Poch did have better players? Muani can only score against PSG. So we don't have "world beaters"?
We also had Kane who was scoring and playing in the PL before Poch.

I'm totally lost at the point anyone is trying to argue now. On one hand, you're saying Poch had a shit squad, even though most of our best squad under Poch was already there by this point in his first season.
So are we or are we not arguing that Frank has a similar level of quality??
Quality is relative. It has to be built on, improved, coached - in the hands of Frank it turns to rubbish. In the hands of Poch it turned to diamonds. I don't think the squad is that bad. Has a lot of potential. Everyone has 2020 hindsight as if it was known Dembele would be a beast (he had been average) , that Kane would be a great after 3 games for Tactics Tim, or that young Rose and Walker would get better than their consistent errors - it wasn't known. Same as it isn't now. We need the right manager to unlock that potential. (personal preference - get the same guy in who did it last time)
 
Quality is relative. It has to be built on, improved, coached - in the hands of Frank it turns to rubbish. In the hands of Poch it turned to diamonds.

So at this stage in Poch's first season, why were you arguing that he didn't have decent players?

Yup. Strambouli, Kaboul, Chadli, Soldado - world beaters when he walked through the door


So you're saying Frank only has up until now to make the available players into amazing ones, but Poch was allowed a season or two...? You're talking bollocks and it's not consistent.

Everyone has 2020 hindsight as if it was known Dembele would be a beast (he had been average) , that Kane would be a great after 3 games for Tactics Tim, or that young Rose and Walker would get better than their consistent errors - it wasn't known.
  • Dembele was already good under AVB
  • Kane played a lot more than 3 games under Redknapp, never mind Tim. Go back to the Kane thread and see that everyone had figured out by then he was the real deal (Match - Tottenham Hotspur vs Aston Villa)
  • Rose was young player of the year on loan at Sunderland, Walker was the young player of the year and in the PFA team of the year already by that point

Unless you're someone's multi, you might want to kindly fuck off from telling us all what we were discussing on here in 2014, with your 6 month old account, thanks
 
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