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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Yid91 said:
Use your fucking eyes. It was shite. Brentford are shite, in general most of the league is shite. But most importantly the Spurs manager is fucking shite
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Yes I agree with all of the above.

The league is indeed largely shite
Brentford are largely shite, though they have a good home record use your fucking eyes and look at their results.

You are missing one key factor

The Spurs squad tonight was fucking shite.

Remains to be seen if Frank is shite when he gets some creative players back or some signings.

He can't put glitter on a turd.

Just be thankful he's made us solid and we we aren't playing kamikaze football and sitting in 17th
 
Percy Clay said:
Jesus H Christ. Could this manager be any less suited to being in charge of Tottenham Hotspur?
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Let me think 🤔

John Candy No GIF by Laff
 
Phomesy said:
I like to think I am. I don't think it's that hard. What's good for the goose is good for the gander is a fairly simple philosophy to follow
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Good for you but human beings are very fickle creatures, especially over things like sports. Most people - myself included - tend to blow with the wind.

Personally, I'm not of the school of thought that simply "giving managers time" is a good blanket approach. For every Fergie and Arteta (who let's note has still won barely anything and spent like abillion quid) there are countless shit-turds like Ten Hag who muddle along doing average and/or making things worse.

I think chopping and changing managers is broadly fine - I think within about 9 months you can almost always tell if a manager is worth sticking with and sometimes it's clearly a disaster from the get-go so you gotta get rid. The main thing is having a coherent DoF and football structure/culture behind the scenes so that you aren't completely changing styles with every managerial appointment. For me that's much more of an issue: it's not so much the fact that we're picking the wrong managers, but that each manager wants the team to do completely different things and needs different types of players.

My gut and eyes tell me Frank simply ain't the guy and we shouldn't keep him beyond this season for the sake of being patient (unless he miraculously does a 180 over the next few months). But we need the dickheads upstairs to be more consistent and thoughtful in their planning rather than swinging back and forth with every appointment like us clowns on the forums.

Kicking out Lange on his arse and getting a good DoF is actually far more important for the long term success of the club than just sacking Frank. Cos if Lange and Vinai hire the next guy they'll probably just fuck it up again
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Yes I agree with all of the above.

The league is indeed largely shite
Brentford are largely shite, though they have a good home record use your fucking eyes and look at their results.

You are missing one key factor

The Spurs squad tonight was fucking shite.

Remains to be seen if Frank is shite when he gets some creative players back or some signings.

He can't put glitter on a turd.

Just be thankful he's made us solid and we we aren't playing kamikaze football and sitting in 17th
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Remains to be seen if Frank is shite???
You seem fond of using the phrase use your eyes??? I'm wondering if you've had yours open these last six months. Frank is the epitome of shite. He was shite at Brondby, he was shite at Brentford and now he's shite here and he'll be shite next season at Palace or Bournemouth.
 
I was willing to give Frank the benefit of the doubt with the shite players he has at his disposal; missing Solanke, Kulusevski and Maddison with Son also going has obviously had a massive impact on our attacking play. Unfortunately though, everything I have seen from his setup and gameplan with the underwhelming options he does have at his disposal is absolutely that of a sunday league team.

The hoofball, hit and hope, win duels and cross over and over shit is just pathetic. There is no nuance to that play. We are unable to progress the ball in any sophisticated manner, and what is worse it looks like we have actually abandoned trying to play through a team, in favour of just hitting long and hoping that Richarlison the human trampoline can bounce it on to another Spurs shirt.

Defensively it's not even worth the hit we have taken to our attack, as most games we look very likely to concede at any given moment. If we were looking like a well drilled and unbeatable back line then fine, try and sit and soak, but that's not us either. Our centre backs are not great box defenders, they are open field defenders. We don't have any sort of real counter-attacking threat either as our players are either not fast enough (Richy/Odobert/Xavi) or not smart enough (Kudus) to produce a counter attack of any note. The tactics are mismatched.

All in all I can't continue to have faith that Frank is just going to magically amend this mess if he has one or two extra players recruited or come back from injury. If the guy can't play any sort of coherent football with the current group of players then it's sure as shit not going to turn into Champions League quality if we have Kulusevski or Dom Solanke come back. We are far too far off it.
 
Yid91 said:
Use your fucking eyes. It was shite. Brentford are shite, in general most of the league is shite. But most importantly the Spurs manager is fucking shite
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Tbh i think data driven bollox and some of the coaches in the premier league atm arent as good as the media make out. Have geeks now on SSN now who cant kick a ball straight.Flair and skill is being coached out of players. Pep is the best manager by a mile in the premier league atm. Managers apart from that i rate elsewhere globally are poch, tuchel, de zerbi, enrique and flick.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Remains to be seen if Frank is shite when he gets some creative players back or some signings.
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this is true, however, if hes asked for kudus and xavi, thats a worry. we miss maddison badly! hes the best footballer at the club by a mile.

this window is huge for frank, hes been dealt a bad hand by having key players injured for basically the season, but hes going to have to address that this window.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
We drew with a team whose Home record before tonight was 7-1-1. They've only lost at home to City.....

And we were missing pretty much every creative player in the squad.

I mean it wasn't a great watch was it but its a clean sheet and there are mitigating circumstances.

Your post is pure hyperbole, you are better than that.
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And they played a team with the best away record in the League?

So what's your point? They didn't cower at the propsect of playing the best away side in the League and we shouldn't have cowered to them.

It was fucking shit and with a bit of ambition and fearlessness we could be in 7th-8th.
 
Timberwolf said:
Good for you but human beings are very fickle creatures, especially over things like sports. Most people - myself included - tend to blow with the wind.

Personally, I'm not of the school of thought that simply "giving managers time" is a good blanket approach. For every Fergie and Arteta (who let's note has still won barely anything and spent like abillion quid) there are countless shit-turds like Ten Hag who muddle along doing average and/or making things worse.

I think chopping and changing managers is broadly fine - I think within about 9 months you can almost always tell if a manager is worth sticking with and sometimes it's clearly a disaster from the get-go so you gotta get rid. The main thing is having a coherent DoF and football structure/culture behind the scenes so that you aren't completely changing styles with every managerial appointment. For me that's much more of an issue: it's not so much the fact that we're picking the wrong managers, but that each manager wants the team to do completely different things and needs different types of players.

My gut and eyes tell me Frank simply ain't the guy and we shouldn't keep him beyond this season for the sake of being patient (unless he miraculously does a 180 over the next few months). But we need the dickheads upstairs to be more consistent and thoughtful in their planning rather than swinging back and forth with every appointment like us clowns on the forums.

Kicking out Lange on his arse and getting a good DoF is actually far more important for the long term success of the club than just sacking Frank. Cos if Lange and Vinai hire the next guy they'll probably just fuck it up again
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Agree with this. We've gone from one manager extreme to another. Postecoglou matched the ethos of the club, even if he went too far with it. Frank is the anti-thesis of that. Sometimes I think Potsecgolou would make a good DoF for a club that wants to play football a front foot attacking philosophy.
 
James Cook said:
And they played a team with the best away record in the League?

So what's your point? They didn't cower at the propsect of playing the best away side in the League and we shouldn't have cowered to them.

It was fucking shit and with a bit of ambition and fearlessness we could be in 7th-8th.
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Not with the players we have available tonight.

Did you even look at the bench?

5 defenders, Tel and a some kid I've never heard of.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Yes I agree with all of the above.

The league is indeed largely shite
Brentford are largely shite, though they have a good home record use your fucking eyes and look at their results.

You are missing one key factor

The Spurs squad tonight was fucking shite.

Remains to be seen if Frank is shite when he gets some creative players back or some signings.

He can't put glitter on a turd.

Just be thankful he's made us solid and we we aren't playing kamikaze football and sitting in 17th
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Ha ha 17th, give him a full season he will give it a good go
 
I'm reasonably confident that the last 2 games in particular were about him trying to catch some of the most direct teams in the league off-guard by letting them have the ball. He wasn't as negative before that.

Very interested to see how he will approach the Sunderland game next, since they also couldn't care less about possession and being on the front foot in general, after getting his "reward" in the form of 4 points and 2 clean sheets with this peak Bordalas-ball.

I have a sneaking suspicion that home fans would spoil his plans though. Let's see.
 
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