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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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CJJ said:
It wasn't Daniel Levy he had a problem with (I know people won't want to accept that).
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He's gone mate

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Timberwolf said:
He knows what it feels like to be unloved at other big clubs and he's made enough money to live comfortably for 10 lifetimes. At Spurs he'd be properly adored by the fans if he came back in a way he'd never get anywhere else. I don't think the United job would hold the same alure to him that it did 6-7 years ago.

I reckon if he comes back to the PL the sentimental aspect of Spurs would be a massive draw for him. He's that kind of guy.
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He has said it often enough. Ancelotti went back to Madrid. Moyes to Everton, If we are still suffering this crap at the end of the season I would gladly take Poch back. USA might get into the last 32 so it might be nearly July when he could be available.I think his contract ends at the World Cup.
 
CJJ said:
It wasn't Daniel Levy he had a problem with (I know people won't want to accept that). He's done interviews confirming as much and his main issue was with the players.

It's even more of a problem now.

For any manager, including the current one, it's the problem. It won't fix itself by simply bringing in a new coach/manager, because all the real problems are above that (who is the 'sporting director'? Is Paratici staying or going? Should he go anyway? Who decides if managers stay or go? Who picks the next one? Who decided to sell Johnson and what's their next plan, etc)

Conte identified a cultural issue which has outlived everything else so far
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I think if a manager had a problem with the players, by proxy he had a problem with Levy.

Levy is the primary reason we didn't buy the players Conte actually wanted and instead chased 'market opportunities' like Rich, Bissouma, Lenglet and Spence. The only player I think Conte got that he specifically requested was Perisic.

If you bring in a guy like Conte it's like signing a deal with the devil. He'll win you trophies but you have to buy him a bunch of very weird, specific players that he demands, that will probably age badly and have no real sell-on value. You fuck yourself over longer term cos he'll be out the door within 2 years but he will get you that trophy.

We didnt do the 'buy him the players' part.
 
Timberwolf said:
He knows what it feels like to be unloved at other big clubs and he's made enough money to live comfortably for 10 lifetimes. At Spurs he'd be properly adored by the fans if he came back in a way he'd never get anywhere else. I don't think the United job would hold the same allure to him that it did 6-7 years ago.

I reckon if he comes back to the PL the sentimental aspect of Spurs would be a massive draw for him. He's that kind of guy.

Personally, I think it would likely end in tears, but given the other options on the market Poch is becoming more and more appealing, provided his contractually obliged to never play a diamond.
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He is a good guy, I like him, but I think he is not afraid of new challenges and has proved he is prepared to accept any kind of job.He will make a decision based on a number of factors, not just that he is already adored in one place.

I'm sure he will consult those very close to him when he has to decide

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Shelf530 said:
I’m holding Romero accountable for Sunderland’s goal. I watched the replay a few times and he went missing on the Brobby one-two, did not follow the player. He’s a head case with poor concentration.
Moments of brilliance like reading the game well and anticipation won us a turnover high up the pitch yesterday but we can’t have the poor defensive lapses from him that occurs too often. I don’t think the captaincy has elevated his game, if anything I think he’s gone backwards.
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Romero made the wrong decision, but the entire midfield was missing in that sequence.
 
Timberwolf said:
He knows what it feels like to be unloved at other big clubs and he's made enough money to live comfortably for 10 lifetimes. At Spurs he'd be properly adored by the fans if he came back in a way he'd never get anywhere else. I don't think the United job would hold the same allure to him that it did 6-7 years ago.

I reckon if he comes back to the PL the sentimental aspect of Spurs would be a massive draw for him. He's that kind of guy.

Personally, I think it would likely end in tears, but given the other options on the market Poch is becoming more and more appealing, provided he's contractually obliged to never play a diamond.
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The reason i've changed my mind on Poch coming back is we need a manager that will get more time so they can change the playing staff as that is the issue. Fan patience has run out and unless Iraola/Glasner/Mckenna get instant results playing decent football they'll be under pressure from the off. Even if they have a good start this group of players will drag them down over time. Poch would get more tolerance from the fanbase and it would restore a connection between fans and manager. Plus he ripped out the egos and underperformers in 2014 and i think he could do it again. Its not ideal, i doubt it will be as good as his first spell but there isnt some perfect option out there.
 
Look at the first half yesterday.

The players showed they can press effectively high up the pitch.

They can play with tempo and intensity.

They can move more as a unit.

Yes, the squad is compromised. Yes, it should be a lot better. Yes, our players are underperforming (often what seems like basic tasks).

But - they have shown that when set up to do so, they can also play a bit too.

Had they been working on this sort of shape/style all season, they would be a lot better at it at this point.

Not amazing, but for sure a lot better than we are right now - and we could be building towards something (with the Jan window offering a chance to step up a level)

This is why the manager is so important.

And this is why Frank has to go.
 
With the way things are going, I wouldn’t mind re-hiring Poch again after the WC.

Let him weed out the underperforming players and get new upgrades in (probably club choices, as his previous record of incomings isn’t that great).

Let him bring back the exciting, attacking, off-the-seat football again and hope that he challenges for the league and cups again. If he finally achieves success with us, all great. If he doesn’t, then bin him and get a proven winner, once the squad has been primed for success.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
The reason i've changed my mind on Poch coming back is we need a manager that will get more time so they can change the playing staff as that is the issue. Fan patience has run out and unless Iraola/Glasner/Mckenna get instant results playing decent football they'll be under pressure from the off. Even if they have a good start this group of players will drag them down over time. Poch would get more tolerance from the fanbase and it would restore a connection between fans and manager. Plus he ripped out the egos and underperformers in 2014 and i think he could do it again. Its not ideal, i doubt it will be as good as his first spell but there isnt some perfect option out there.
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I get what you're saying, and you might ultimately be right.

I do feel though, if we get any manager - some complete unknown even - of course there will be pressure on them, but I genuinely believe if we see 'the plan', see what theyre trying to do - we'll back them

Probably over the players at this point
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
The reason i've changed my mind on Poch coming back is we need a manager that will get more time so they can change the playing staff as that is the issue. Fan patience has run out and unless Iraola/Glasner/Mckenna get instant results playing decent football they'll be under pressure from the off. Even if they have a good start this group of players will drag them down over time. Poch would get more tolerance from the fanbase and it would restore a connection between fans and manager. Plus he ripped out the egos and underperformers in 2014 and i think he could do it again. Its not ideal, i doubt it will be as good as his first spell but there isnt some perfect option out there.
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I think as a personality he'd be brilliant and just what the club need. My concern is that the game's left him behind a bit. His Chelsea team were decent towards the end of the season, but they got absolutely embarrassed in a number of games that season (including some in the 2nd half of the season). I think his one cutting-edge tactics are a bit old hat nowadays and we'd end up with a pale shadow of the 1st Poch era.

That said, I think I'd still probably prefer that to someone like Iraola, Silva or Glanser that just doesn't feel like a natural fit for the club. At least Poch would bring back hope and unite the club for a little while.
 
A team that are 19th in possession and consistently rank inside the top 5 in almost every statistical category that measures a team's reluctance towards possession play can still look this calm and composed on the ball.







All three are from a larger sequence where they had uninterrupted control of the ball for 90 seconds before launching a cross to earn first a throw-in and then a corner. And as I've pointed out, Sunderland are hardly the gold standard of playing out from the back or breaking teams' crowded defenses through dizzying sequences of creative passing.

It's not nearly as difficult as Frank makes it appear; and, combined with the fact that Brentford under Andrews play a brand of football that's more similar than different to the one Frank's Tottenham play, speaks volumes about where Frank's priorities as a manager lie.

What you watched yesterday could obviously get optimized with more time and better players, but the sequences to be perfected would resemble these:





I don't see a great appeal.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
The reason i've changed my mind on Poch coming back is we need a manager that will get more time so they can change the playing staff as that is the issue. Fan patience has run out and unless Iraola/Glasner/Mckenna get instant results playing decent football they'll be under pressure from the off. Even if they have a good start this group of players will drag them down over time. Poch would get more tolerance from the fanbase and it would restore a connection between fans and manager. Plus he ripped out the egos and underperformers in 2014 and i think he could do it again. Its not ideal, i doubt it will be as good as his first spell but there isnt some perfect option out there.
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I agree with some of that but we are getting realky sucked into this group of players' biullsh!t.

Utter crap as though they are some homogenous being.

It's sheer myopia.
 
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