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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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White Van Jan said:
Up at Newcastle in the 2-2 I saw that Johnson when he was playing on the left took his FB on a couple of times and beat him and put in decent crosses with his left peg. That looked like he'd been working on it.

The best wingers are the 2 footed ones, a FB just doesn't know which way they'll go. Drives me up the wall when a commentator says "oh that chance came on his wrong foot". They've been doing nothing but playing footie since they were able to walk and they can't be arsed to make sure they don't have a "wrong foot"

Robertson at Forest good example. Ginola too. He could take corners right and left footed.

Rant over.
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BJ had been working on it with Frank or he was playing Ange ball. I thought this season when I saw BJ play, it looked like he was trying to play Ange Ball. Kudus on the other hand, now has no impetus to cross in and if he does, it’s not the low ball cross/cut back that was Ange ball. He sometimes chips it in with his right foot, but prefers to cut back onto his left foot which inevitably slows down the momentum and cross. That’s an inverted winger issue and one footed problem. It’s not as if he is getting more shots on by being inverted at the moment. So maybe Frank, play Kudus on the left if the game plan is to cross in. Porro has the most crosses (someone posted) so far this season. It’s no surprise he’s right footed playing on the right. Djed playing on the left, can’t get as many crosses in. Stick Kudus on the left if you want to play crosses (like 1990s football was).

I agree with the one footed nature of some of the players. Madders included. If I were them, at their level, I would be training my week foot during extra sessions and at home. FFS, the working day is over at lunchtime and you leave the training ground by 2pm latest if you are slow with your lunch. That’s what separates the best, you work on your game. Son would do extra training with his dad, probably still does!
 
kingdawson said:
can people explain why he should be doing better? please explain it so i can understand???

James Maddison had 12 goals and 11 assists last season (9 goals and 7 assists in the league)
Dominic Solanke had 16 goals and 8 assists last season (9 goals and 3 assists in the league)
Heung min Son had 11 goals and 12 assists last season (7 goals and 10 assists in the league)
Dejan kulusevski had 10 goals and 11 assists last season (7 goals and 4 assists in the league)


so that's 50% of the goals we scored in the league. Take away Brennan Johnson contribution of 18 goals and 7 assists (11 goals and 5 assists) and thats 67% of our goals from last season that is not an option.

Do you not get how absolutely damaging the loss of these players has been????? the same posters that are saying he should be doing better are the same posters that go on about how shit our players are ffs.
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Very true.

Just as it was true this time last season.

We're stuck in the same cycle with just different POV's.

Sign some quality ingredients THEN focus on the quality of the Chef.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Really?

Digging out the fans every week?

Saying the team isn’t a real Champions League team because they only won the Europa League?

Constant sly ways to absolve himself of blame whilst throwing the players under the bus?

Saying he wants to play free flowing football when his tactics in MF suggest he’s trying to do the opposite and gaslighting everyone?

Objectively, there’s plenty of things he’s said that people could take issue with if they wanted to.

If the results were better then it wouldn’t matter but he’s not helping himself and the team on or off the pitch atm.

He could still fix it, even if Ive lost belief that he will, but to do that he’s going to need to give fans something to hope for on the pitch and with the things he says.
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Do you think Frank might have been bought in as kind of like a stooge, Just thinking everyone is blaming Frank for everything now, in times of past it would have been the "we want Levy or Enic" out chants , now its all on Frank, don't get me wrong I think he is to timid to be the Spurs manager , but by him being here, ENIC are getting cut a lot of Flack, he is just happy to carry on and do his job and will make do with a couple more cheap punts and loan signings to replace last years leading goal scorer.......
 
Fattynomates said:
Do you think Frank might have been bought in as kind of like a stooge, Just thinking everyone is blaming Frank for everything now, in times of past it would have been the "we want Levy or Enic" out chants , now its all on Frank, don't get me wrong I think he is to timid to be the Spurs manager , but by him being here, ENIC are getting cut a lot of Flack, he is just happy to carry on and do his job and will make do with a couple more cheap punts and loan signings to replace last years leading goal scorer.......
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Definitely possible

Last season the protests were down the high road.
 
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scarletjim said:
Sorry if I'm being thick, can you explain what the percentage means please? I assume the first number means that City attempt fewer long passes than anyone else, but what does the % mean? Is it that theirs hit the intended target most often (juding by the context you kindly provided)? Or something else like that?
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Yes, just that. Sorry for the confusion.

They attempt the lowest amount while finding the target at a rate higher than anybody else in the league, clearly showing that they're very purposeful with their long range passing. Same goes for Villa, Brighton and a few others. On the other hand;
  • Brentford are 1st in number of attempts and 11th in success rate
  • Bournemouth are 2nd in number of attempts and 18th in success rate
Ranking relatively high in both of these categories together isn't impossible also:
  • Newcastle are 4th in number of attempts and also 9th in success rate
 
Fattynomates said:
Last 2 seasons it was a Manager and not a player problem, now its a Player issue and not a manager issue? :frankthumbs:
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The evidence is starting to stack up and it looks increasingly likely it may have been a chairman, manager and player issue tbh.

:gallashmm:

:levyeyes:

No Problem Yes GIF by Vevo
 
Fattynomates said:
Last 2 seasons it was a Manager and not a player problem, now its a Player issue and not a manager issue? :frankthumbs:
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It’s an ownership issue, we are infested with players not good enough to play for us and a manager that plays a style of football that very few Spurs fans will tolerate.

It’s just sheer incompetence from the top to not understand these 2 points and start doing something about it. But mediocre people appoint mediocre people - that’s how the world works. Spurs are either going to fluke another Poch or the owners will eventually be hounded out.
 
BJK said:
Yes, just that. Sorry for the confusion.

They attempt the lowest amount while finding the target at a rate higher than anybody else in the league, clearly showing that they're very purposeful with their long range passing. Same goes for Villa, Brighton and a few others. On the other hand;
  • Brentford are 1st in number of attempts and 11th in success rate
  • Bournemouth are 2nd in number of attempts and 18th in success rate
Ranking relatively high in both of these categories together isn't impossible also:
  • Newcastle are 4th in number of attempts and also 9th in success rate
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So the message from that (and your earlier message) seems to be clear - we often hit it long, and most times that's just 'hit and hope'. Not great. The data on other teams is interesting, if not at all surprising - i.e. going long is absolutely fine, if it's with accuracy and a clear intention / target. Sadly we're a million miles away from that right now. :(

Thanks for explaining (and for all your other analytical work on here btw - I find it incredibly interesting, and I'm sure plenty of others do too). :)
 
scarletjim said:
So the message from that (and your earlier message) seems to be clear - we often hit it long, and most times that's just 'hit and hope'. Not great. The data on other teams is interesting, if not at all surprising - i.e. going long is absolutely fine, if it's with accuracy and a clear intention / target. Sadly we're a million miles away from that right now. :(

Thanks for explaining (and for all your other analytical work on here btw - I find it incredibly interesting, and I'm sure plenty of others do too). :)
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Hitting it long to Richarlison who I’ve never seen win a header in that situation before - he isn’t Andy Carroll.

That kick off routine needs to fuck off as well - my heart sinks everytime I see it, it’s just embarrassing
 
Papafeels said:
Caren to share one those many points or??????

You've been butt hurt since the firstly day, I quite rightly, criticised him and you went way over the line. And now your playing little hurt kid.

You are a scumbag.
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Any of those points 🤣

You spouted nonsense over the last couple of pages.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

See making shit up again, I don't give a fuck if you don't like Frank..

All anyone has said, was that it was way to early to make a call one way or another (that whether he'll be a good manager or a bad manager, for your simple little brain), coz 7 weeks into a season not enough time to make a judgement.

The squad is shit and needs addressing, and give him a window or two and see what happens then.

That's it... And you have repeatedly misrepresented what people have been saying regarding this.

Once again, these points don't mean I or other people a for or against Frank and there is plenty to criticise about him at the moment.

And the horrible puss filled toxic scrotum that is you, just keep on claiming that people like me defending Frank, and we are not.

I have lost and Uncle and the mum of a close friend over Christmas, and a few days in the new year I have a horrible little lying cunt like you talking BS like this.

Papafeels said:
There's a few of them who are really dug in, and it doen't matter what he does, nothing is his fault.

It's really weird. Being that invested in someone you can't admit they're not the fit you thought.
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What's weird is the fact that you constantly have to make BS like this, when some disagrees with you.

Why don't you just fuck off and debate with lumps of shit in a bucket, coz that's more your level.
 
Aphex said:
Yeah yeah sorry but it's a load of bollocks mate. Trophies are not everything, not when it isn't backed up by consistent excellence. They are winning every week, have one of the best teams in the world, and the reality is they will win trophies if they contine as they are. Who do genuinely think are the happier fan base? us because we won the Europe League in May? or Woolwich fans?

It's easy to say Arteta has spent a billion, yes he's been backed like crazy but he still needs to put together a very good side and he has. He's an absolute moron but he's a fantastic coach, that is plain to see. He gets the best out of all his players.

Maybe I speak for myself but I want us to be in Woolwich's position, fuck being 17th and winning the Europa. Give me top of the league at Xmas, and a realistic chance of going for the league and CL.

Our fanbase is as unhappy as it's ever been, winning a trophy in May didn't really do much to change that did it.
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So, he hasn't won anything then.

We were in Woolwich's position, playing amazing football and not winning anything, with Poch. We were widely derided for it.

We are unhappy because it's shite mate, and we won a competition we were the best team in, despite everything. The 17th is awful and systematic of bad decisions all round. If we'd finished 10th and won it, nobody would be saying anything.

We finished 2nd and 3rd and were laughed at. Here you are thinking Woolwich are amazing for being consistent and doing the same thing.
 
kingdawson said:
can people explain why he should be doing better? please explain it so i can understand???

James Maddison had 12 goals and 11 assists last season (9 goals and 7 assists in the league)
Dominic Solanke had 16 goals and 8 assists last season (9 goals and 3 assists in the league)
Heung min Son had 11 goals and 12 assists last season (7 goals and 10 assists in the league)
Dejan kulusevski had 10 goals and 11 assists last season (7 goals and 4 assists in the league)


so that's 50% of the goals we scored in the league. Take away Brennan Johnson contribution of 18 goals and 7 assists (11 goals and 5 assists) and thats 67% of our goals from last season that is not an option.

Do you not get how absolutely damaging the loss of these players has been????? the same posters that are saying he should be doing better are the same posters that go on about how shit our players are ffs.
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It seems to be refused to be acknowledged on social media and forums. All the foaming at the mouth getting in the way I suspect. They say it doesnt matter because Frank wont play to suit them. Crystal balls out obviously. He might not improve the team play but it would be good to find out. Trouble is, Madders aint coming back this season and who knows what is up with DK.

The Angesexuals come back with, well he didnt have Romero and VDV. Well, he did until he injured them. Frank hasnt had any of those 4 start a match for him. (I would have kept Sonny around)
 
manmountainbutters said:
Agreed. I believe Frank can do quite a bit better if we can shift the 3-4 worst offenders culturally and bring in the same number who want to play for the shirt.

I’d shift Porro, Vicario and Bentancur. To name a few.

Still not sure Frank can really deliver even with that change tbh.
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Yes. Agree.

I think Frank has handled many things wrong. Example by playing Porro and Bentancur and Kudus every match. Even though they havent shown anything for weeks.

He also handled the episode with VDV and Spence wrong. It doesnt seem like he knows how to demand respect on and off the field.
 
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