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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?


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Im going to post a very unpopular opinion here - and people can like it or lump it - I don't really care

Players aren't going to run through walls for fans who boo them in the middle of games for making a mistake or who verbally abuse them

They are human beings - and it is just the truth -

So fans taking out their frustration in that way are 100% part of the problem

I do not buy that you have the right to scream obsensities at anyone just because you pay moeny to watch a game.

you dont

its pathetic

It's scummy behaviour

Shouting shit at other human beings because you yourself don't have the ability to not do that is not normal -

So the players have a disconnect with the hierarchy and with the manager and with the fans, seemingly.

And yes, players come and go, but we still have the same scum in our fanbase that booed Sanchez, and Emerson mid-game, that call Ange a fat cunt cos we lost a game.

Those people are part of the problem. Might be a small part, but they are part of it
While I absolutely agree that players emotions should be validated and respected if you are playing for a Premier League club you should have the self belief to turn any issue with the fans around. If you don’t then you’re probably not the guy for this level, irrespective of ability.

I’d imagine that players like VDV and Porro have aspirations of playing for a Real Madrid one day, well if they’re not looking at the situation at Spurs and have the arrogance to think “I’m the one who’s going to take this by the scruff of the neck” instead of getting into huddles to walk off in solidarity against the fans then what are you doing at this level? Madrid players get attacked when driving out of the stadium and while that is in no way an acceptable response to a football team losing a game and absolutely should have consequences, they don’t react the way our players have to something far less; being booed for poor performances, they turn their form around because they believe in themselves.

I’ve never seen a Premier League team have this sense of entitlement that their fans should tolerate 2 home wins all season. Chelsea players never had it when they were being booed for all of the “primadonna” stereotypes that get labelled to them, even West Ham players dont do it despite getting booed for generations now.
 
We’re a team that’s been in decline for over a season and a half. We don’t have the characters left in the team or the management that can bring the mood up ( the Kanes, Maddisons, Sonnys) - sounds like we have a bunch of kids in the dressing room - maybe / maybe not modelled by Ange and Conte’s successive tantrums.

Frank is being an adult: balanced and polite and courteous. Unfortunately, the world we live in now is clearly not and everyone wants to be the main character. Different players needed, although the manager will probably have to go over this bunch who are upset BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN POOR PERFORMANCES FOR OVER A SEASON. Wednesday was better, but still too many passengers and 5/10. Last season was the same, let’s not pretend otherwise.

Whether Frank stays or goes, we need to clear out some of these overpaid whiners as they’ll still be bad apples for the next and the next and the next…

If ENIC are serious, then they should fund a spending spree and we can let some of the chaff float off into the wind.

However, I expect we’ll just be on repeat.

FWIW - I think this is leadership from the very top that’s the issue this season - without Levy’s micromanagement, it’s all really gone to pieces - more so than usual. Hopefully, we’re in the ‘worse before it gets better’ phase.
 
While I absolutely agree that players emotions should be validated and respected if you are playing for a Premier League club you should have the self belief to turn any issue with the fans around. If you don’t then you’re probably not the guy for this level, irrespective of ability.

I’d imagine that players like VDV and Porro have aspirations of playing for a Real Madrid one day, well if they’re not looking at the situation at Spurs and have the arrogance to think “I’m the one who’s going to take this by the scruff of the neck” instead of getting into huddles to walk off in solidarity against the fans then what are you doing at this level? Madrid players get attacked when driving out of the stadium and while that is in no way an acceptable response to a football team losing a game and absolutely should have consequences, they don’t react the way our players have to something far less; being booed for poor performances, they turn their form around because they believe in themselves.

I’ve never seen a Premier League team have this sense of entitlement that their fans should tolerate 2 home wins all season. Chelsea players never had it when they were being booed for all of the “primadonna” stereotypes that get labelled to them, even West Ham players dont do it despite getting booed for generations now.
FFS - Bale was hated at Madrid. Christ knows how any of our current crop would get on - all the attitude and a fraction of the talent.
 
I genuinely think (hope/convince myself) the decision is made for him to go

Theres a week between Villa and West Ham

I think (hope/delude myself/might be tripping) the decision has been made to let him go after Villa, and we're using this time to line up his replacement

And if I inject something I can also see a version where Lange and Paratici go with him
That's exactly what should happen, there's too much about the club at the moment that feels like a hodge-podge of different eras.

Get rid of everyone, and it's tempting to even extend that to Vinai, that is tainted by previous shambles' and start afresh, the owners need to be completely hands off beyond just telling a proper football person who knows what he's doing and is invested in the club for the long term what finances he has to work with.

Get that one appointment spot on and the rest will eventually fall into place.
 
Im going to post a very unpopular opinion here - and people can like it or lump it - I don't really care

Players aren't going to run through walls for fans who boo them in the middle of games for making a mistake or who verbally abuse them

They are human beings - and it is just the truth -

So fans taking out their frustration in that way are 100% part of the problem

I do not buy that you have the right to scream obsensities at anyone just because you pay moeny to watch a game.

you dont

its pathetic

It's scummy behaviour

Shouting shit at other human beings because you yourself don't have the ability to not do that is not normal -

So the players have a disconnect with the hierarchy and with the manager and with the fans, seemingly.

And yes, players come and go, but we still have the same scum in our fanbase that booed Sanchez, and Emerson mid-game, that call Ange a fat cunt cos we lost a game.

Those people are part of the problem. Might be a small part, but they are part of it

Hard not to agree with this. You can vent your frustration without being so overwhelmingly toxic. We see that culture online - and in here - way too often.
 
Give me even £20K a week and I will happily experience this every day for the rest of my life! :frankthumbs:


I know I write some lengthly waffle on here, but I genuinely dont consider myself that football literate

Most of my ramblings come from a place of "Well, if I can see it, it must be bloody obvious!"

And Im pretty sure Id do a better job than Frank right now - dont think Ive ever said that about a manager before
 
Matt Law - Telegraph

It may have been a storm in a coffee cup on the south coast for Thomas Frank, but there is a very real threat to his authority brewing at Tottenham Hotspur.

Less than 24 hours after being caught sipping from an Woolwich-branded cup during Tottenham’s stoppage-time defeat at Bournemouth, Frank had to sit in front of a red and white Emirates-branded background to answer questions about his captain Cristian Romero.

The FA Cup backdrop provided Woolwich fans, who have flooded social media with a host of Frank-inspired jokes in response to the coffee cup storm, with another chance to poke fun at him. But there is not much for Tottenham’s head coach to smile about, as he attempts to retain some sense of control.

That has not been helped by the decision to let off Romero without a fine after he posted a message on social media in the hours after the defeat by Bournemouth that read: “At times like this, it should be other people coming out to speak, but they don’t – as has been happening for several years now. They only show up when things are going well, to tell a few lies.”

It was later edited to delete the accusation of “lies” and that seemed to be enough to somehow allow Romero to escape with just a chat with Frank and co-sporting director Johan Lange.

Asked if Romero would still be captain and whether he had been fined, Frank said: “He is our captain, he’s not been fined.” Pushed on why Romero had not been punished, the Dane added: “I think there’s a lot of ways to deal with different situations. We’ve chosen to have a good conversation with him, understand where he stands, handle it internally and that’s everything I have to say.”
The club remained silent on Romero and his outburst, leaving the door ajar to the theory that Spurs and Frank are simply too scared of the potential consequences to properly punish the fiery Argentine.

Frank insisted he had shown he is able to draw the line with his players by dropping Yves Bissouma from his Super Cup squad for persistent lateness. But some may reach the same conclusion as one source, who spoke to Telegraph Sport, and said: “It’s double standards.”

There have already been claims that Romero is granted more freedom around the training ground than the rest of the squad and he was made the club’s highest-paid player when he signed a new contract last summer. Vinai Venkatesham, the Tottenham chief executive, told a fans forum it was “the best deal in world football this summer” when he addressed them in October.
Defending Romero’s ability to lead the team, Frank pointed to the fact the captain was one of the players to speak up at half-time at Bournemouth after Spurs had let an early lead slip to trail at the break.
Telegraph Sport has been told that Tottenham’s angry players took it upon themselves to hold a half-time inquest at the Vitality Stadium. But by the time the players returned to the dressing room, having confronted fans after the final whistle, there was little said with the mood described as quiet and brooding.
A source said: “Things were said between the players at half-time in the dressing room, but at the end it was just quiet. The message to the players was just ‘well done’, which seems a bit strange given what had happened.”

Tottenham’s defeat at Bournemouth was greeted by loud booing from the visiting supporters. Micky van de Ven was seen gesturing to fans in a tense stand-off before being dragged away, while Pedro Porro, who was also helped out of the firing line, and João Palhinha went to speak to supporters face to face.

Porro, along with Richarlison, posted messages of support below Romero’s social media post, and Frank revealed that he had spoken with his entire squad, as well as Romero personally, on Thursday morning to try to clear the air.
“We spoke this morning in the meeting we had,” Frank said. “It’s a very emotional situation to be in after a late defeat. They’re human beings. They get questioned every single time. They’re footballers, that’s part of it, but that’s not the same [as saying it is] easy. I’d like to see some of the guys on social media or you guys experience that pressure out there. I don’t think it’s that easy.”

Van de Ven ‘frustrated’

Tottenham have been keen to offer Van de Ven a new contract, with his current deal running to 2029. But some sources believe the defender is frustrated with the current situation at the club.

Earlier this season, Telegraph Sport revealed that Tottenham players discussed in detail their disconnect with the club’s fans in a team meeting and the issue is now viewed within the squad as critical.
The subject of Spurs supporters was the key theme in a players’ meeting following the defeat by Chelsea on November 1. At the end of the game, Van de Ven and Djed Spence could not hide their displeasure with some fans and walked straight off the pitch.

Porro also hit out at “disrespectful” fans on social media following the defeat by Fulham, in which goalkeeper Guglielmo Vicario was booed by some Tottenham supporters.
Asked why there have been so many behavioural issues, Frank said: “That’s the beauty of things happening once and then you can always go back to it. Then there are a lot of emotions in football, when it’s not going in the direction you want and you get emotional after a game or whatever. Everyone reacts differently. We’re working very hard on being cool and calm, but still a passionate unit that can compete every game. And that will go a little bit up and a little bit down.”

Tottenham are still to confirm whether co-sporting director Fabio Paratici, who has been heavily linked with Fiorentina, will stay at the club and the Italian was left off Frank’s list of staff who he stressed are working together at Spurs.
“I think it’s very important to stress that even though there’s noise, the club is very aligned,” Frank said. “Johan, Vinai and I are very aligned. Ownership is very aligned. We know it’s a tough spell that we need to get through.”
Frank may remain in charge of the team as head coach, but whether he is in control of his players is not quite so clear.



Its all beginning of the end stuff, IMO. For Frank for sure, and probably some of the squad.

This blew my mind:
A source said: “Things were said between the players at half-time in the dressing room, but at the end it was just quiet. The message to the players was just ‘well done’, which seems a bit strange given what had happened.”

Well done?! Im starting to think Frank isnt gaslighting US with his talk of things doing well/layers/progress - I think he is gaslighting himself. WELL FUCKING DONE!? WHAT FOR?!

You know when there are sources coming out on what happened at half time the manager is done, he just is.


And I think we would all agree there is a definite disconnect between players and fans, club and fans even?

Ive said in the "who next..." thread, I dont want Pochettino back, I just think no matter what it ends badly - but I do want ANOTHER Pochettino.

I think the club and fans NEED a manager who can work with the squad and is proper Spurs, someone we can get behind, get the good vibes going, bring everyone together

I think its a real concern the like of VDV are looking elsewhere, but I also think that can be saved with another poch

Some good football, enjoyable football, fans back onside - suddenly players and fans alike are happy

Frank is the problem right now. Not the only one, not the over all problem, but the immediate problem - and he needs to go to make way for real positivity - not aligned layers of cautious imaginary positivity


EDIT: Also, its clear he is scared of the dressing room - no manager can succeed when thats the case


EDIT EDIT : Shitting out Bissouma is hardly a show of strength is it?

At this point, I’m feeling sorry for Frank.

It’s not all his fault and football has a brutal way of delivering feedback at times.

But when “sources” start talking to Matt Law about double standards and player unrest, you’re fucked.

No ifs, no buts, it’s only a miracle that keeps Frank going from here. I hope for him and also for Spurs that the miracle comes because that means us winning but if he really does think the performances have been good enough, then I’m not sure he’s ready to see the miracle if it did come.
 
At this point, I’m feeling sorry for Frank.

It’s not all his fault and football has a brutal way of delivering feedback at times.

But when “sources” start talking to Matt Law about double standards and player unrest, you’re fucked.

No ifs, no buts, it’s only a miracle that keeps Frank going from here. I hope for him and also for Spurs that the miracle comes because that means us winning but if he really does think the performances have been good enough, then I’m not sure he’s ready to see the miracle if it did come.


I feel sorry for him

Ive been hard on him, for the job he's done, but I dont hold it against him

He is just clearly out of his depth

And its horrible to watch him flounder
 
One of the issues is that the team needs a reliable and strong spine to set the standard, that Frank can rely upon. However, the quality of those players (Richy, Simons, Kudus?, Gray?, Berg, Romero?, VdV, Davies, Danso, Vic, Palhinha, Bentancur) isn’t actually that high. This means that when these players - already at a low ceiling are then replaced or surrounded by half-arsed fair weather journeymen it gets even shitter.

Take Richy out for RKM - instant drop in effort and output; who replaces any of those MF? It’s bad enough when intact, even worse if you think about bringing back Biss. Yeh, Vic’s not that dependable but Kinsky, really? You’d be better off with Forster back. Spence and Porro play for their own personal glory and would do the same whatever club they were at.

Whatever happens to Frank, the players aren’t all that and haven’t been since we lost the Lloris, Toby/ old man Jan, Kane spine (notice there’s no MF there - Dembele Wanyama were never adequately replaced - maybe Maddison could be that player if he wasn’t made of glass?)
 
Im going to post a very unpopular opinion here - and people can like it or lump it - I don't really care

Players aren't going to run through walls for fans who boo them in the middle of games for making a mistake or who verbally abuse them

They are human beings - and it is just the truth -

So fans taking out their frustration in that way are 100% part of the problem

I do not buy that you have the right to scream obsensities at anyone just because you pay moeny to watch a game.

you dont

its pathetic

It's scummy behaviour

Shouting shit at other human beings because you yourself don't have the ability to not do that is not normal -

So the players have a disconnect with the hierarchy and with the manager and with the fans, seemingly.

And yes, players come and go, but we still have the same scum in our fanbase that booed Sanchez, and Emerson mid-game, that call Ange a fat cunt cos we lost a game.

Those people are part of the problem. Might be a small part, but they are part of it
Totally agree

Our home fan base is not just amongst the worst in the League, it is by a distance the worst in the league in terms of supporting their club.
Has been a real problem ever since we moved in to the new ground.
Players just won’t enjoy playing in that atmosphere.
Opponents enjoy playing at Spurs, opponent fans enjoy visiting the ground whereas they hated the Lane.
No coincidence our home record is awful whereas our away is decent.
Our fans at the ground are a big part of the issue, players are just not comfortable playing in front of them. Booing individual players during matches, no other club does that for example
 
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At this point, I’m feeling sorry for Frank.

It’s not all his fault and football has a brutal way of delivering feedback at times.

But when “sources” start talking to Matt Law about double standards and player unrest, you’re fucked.

No ifs, no buts, it’s only a miracle that keeps Frank going from here. I hope for him and also for Spurs that the miracle comes because that means us winning but if he really does think the performances have been good enough, then I’m not sure he’s ready to see the miracle if it did come.
I think you’re right but I can’t feel sorry for him about the coffee cup. How the fuck did he not see that. I know he’s wrapped up in all sorts but that to me smacked of a lack of preparation and professionalism
 
They signed him from Brugge last year, 8 PL appearances and no goals

He had Wissa and MBuemo instead scoring about 40

EDIT: I see you meant Edwards
Tiago barely kicked a ball last season.
He's gone from having Mbuemo and Wissa to the likes of Richarlison, Odobert and Muani up top for us.
He also had Norgaard making them tick in the middle. Our clock hasn't been wound up in years.
 
I think you’re right but I can’t feel sorry for him about the coffee cup. How the fuck did he not see that. I know he’s wrapped up in all sorts but that to me smacked of a lack of preparation and professionalism
But that’s the true issue, isn’t it? It’s just a stupid cup, but the bigger problem is that is shows a lack of attention to care and diligence. And explains why we are so shit. Because that’s just how it is.

These fucks cannot make a 5 foot pass to each other consistently.
 
Yeh - but Levy’s gone! It’s actually got worse!
He did say we would only appreciate him when he was gone, and in typical Spurs fashion as soon as he left, he won something (CBE) !!! :levyeyes:


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