I'm telling you now, whoever took that picture put that cup in his hand.
Proper fix up.
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Manager Thomas Frank
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Proper fix up.
Although i wanted Frank to be our manager i can't deny he has done some incredibly strange things during his tenure here that has made me think wtf is he playing at.
* His constant use of Bentancur and treating him like he's the first name on the team sheet is incredibly weird. He continuously loses possession and doesn't really offer much yet Frank picks him game after game.
* His treatment of Sarr was diabolical. He was easily our best player in pre season and during the early stages of the season yet Frank unexpectedly dropped him when he was playing well and with that his form went downhill. Absolutely the wrong message.
* Romero coming back into the team straight away after costing us a goal, then being sent off, at the expense of Danso who just had a brilliant game absolutely sent the wrong message (again) and we are still paying for it now.
Those are the 3 inexcusable decisions imo.
* His constant use of Bentancur and treating him like he's the first name on the team sheet is incredibly weird. He continuously loses possession and doesn't really offer much yet Frank picks him game after game.
* His treatment of Sarr was diabolical. He was easily our best player in pre season and during the early stages of the season yet Frank unexpectedly dropped him when he was playing well and with that his form went downhill. Absolutely the wrong message.
* Romero coming back into the team straight away after costing us a goal, then being sent off, at the expense of Danso who just had a brilliant game absolutely sent the wrong message (again) and we are still paying for it now.
Those are the 3 inexcusable decisions imo.
Easy solution for that one, fuck off them players who do not feel comfortable to be playing in front of our amazing Fans, anyone who plays for Spurs should feel proud to be playing for a team with such an amazing history and to be playing for a proper club and if the players don't feel that then fuck them off, its that simple!
He appears to think itll all come together, and he just needs to weather the storm
And if that were to be true, why would he leave? He'll be manager of a top club doing well...
He isnt going to walk
Who have both now left Brentford just like Frank and now (checks table) Brentford sit in 5th, please answer me this, if Brentford have the better squad then us, why did we want Frank in the first place?
Just go back to the start of this thread and the argument has always been that he was the one keeping them in the league by being such a good manager, that he is able to work with any players and get a tune out of them, give him the kind of squad we have at Spurs and we will see his true skills as a manager, apparently he was a Michelin star chef cooking with Mc Donalds ingredients, also if its the squad that is so shit then winning a European Trophy with the below 11 starting must be quite some achievement for the manager?
Starting XI: Vicario, Pedro Porro, Romero (c), van de Ven, Udogie, Bentancur, Bissouma, Sarr, Johnson, Solanke, Richarlison
Kind of the same thing
If we want to bypass the midfield, then win duels/transitions in the final 3rd - Sarr makes far more sense than Bentancur
Especially if we have Palinha back there as well
(Although strangely Palinha seems to be the one to go forward more)
His selections in general make no sense
He's run Porro into the ground while Davies, a natural LB, is sitting on the bench - Spence could easily have spent time at RB
Kudus is injured, obvious opportunity to put another winger there in Odobert, so he plays Bergvall (who he appears to have terribly miss profiled)
The list goes on...
I think he is scared of him. I think he is scared of the players, or at least worried about being their friend/keeping them onside, but Romero is the leader of the pack and Frank is scared of him.
And when the players have more power than the manager - he is done
Mr Bean would have not made the Woolwich coffee cup error if he was our manager . Playing well and winning matches and it’s a storm in a tea cup ( excuse the pun) . However playing like Carlsberg Pulis it will not be forgotten easily . He has managed to give our title chasing enemy even more ammunition to ridicule us with , I think he might be a bit thick is where I am now . He is certainly tone deaf to what is swirling all around him and the club.
They haven't got a better squad that us, IMO.Who have both now left Brentford just like Frank and now (checks table) Brentford sit in 5th, please answer me this, if Brentford have the better squad then us, why did we want Frank in the first place?
Just go back to the start of this thread and the argument has always been that he was the one keeping them in the league by being such a good manager, that he is able to work with any players and get a tune out of them, give him the kind of squad we have at Spurs and we will see his true skills as a manager, apparently he was a Michelin star chef cooking with Mc Donalds ingredients, also if its the squad that is so shit then winning a European Trophy with the below 11 starting must be quite some achievement for the manager?
Starting XI: Vicario, Pedro Porro, Romero (c), van de Ven, Udogie, Bentancur, Bissouma, Sarr, Johnson, Solanke, Richarlison
They have a better drilled squad and a few difference makers we lack.
For all we know, that exact same squad, by next season, could be spiralling down the table. Look at Forest. What has changed within their squad from last season where they were one game from the champions league?
Our squad has looked untrained for years. We all know it.
Even before Ange, half our squad couldn't control a football if they were covered head to toe in glue. Now most of them can't pass more then 5 yards without miss hitting it.
It takes time to re-train those basics into players.
I don't think Frank will get the time to prove he can or can't, tbh,
The issue is, the next pleb won't be spending time on the training pitch ramming the basics down the players throats and drilling them senseless (oohm, suits you sir)
And we'll be looking for another one in the summer. And the odds we get that right? Slim, I'd say.
I know he won’t walk and why.
But there are some that just walk because integrity is worth more than money.
He’s just waiting to be sacked here.
I was wondering when Matt “shit stirrer” Law would be chucking his oar in!
Players unhappy with fans, players unhappy with senior management, players unhappy with coaches. Wonder when they’ll have a moment of self reflection?
Im hoping it will be final (regardless of result)
To be fair to Matt Im saying exactly the same now about the potential next manager!
We really don’t need to over complicate this, I think I preferred Nuno in all honesty. Get rid immediately, absolutely car crash.
Reminds me of Graham Potter at Chelsea, just not good enough for the bigger jobs. They need a no pressured place like Brentford to do decent jobs, but have no idea what it takes to compete with the big teams on a regular basis, on all fronts.
Redknapp and Poch are clearly the benchmark managers all agree we’re enjoyable times.
AVB didn’t have a bad league position but his football was rotten, so is Franks.
I’d prefer Sherwood saluting Adebayor days over the rotten football and atmosphere Frank offers.
He’s trying to lower our expectations to match his level of competence, that’s all this is. He needs gone immediately
Reminds me of Graham Potter at Chelsea, just not good enough for the bigger jobs. They need a no pressured place like Brentford to do decent jobs, but have no idea what it takes to compete with the big teams on a regular basis, on all fronts.
Redknapp and Poch are clearly the benchmark managers all agree we’re enjoyable times.
AVB didn’t have a bad league position but his football was rotten, so is Franks.
I’d prefer Sherwood saluting Adebayor days over the rotten football and atmosphere Frank offers.
He’s trying to lower our expectations to match his level of competence, that’s all this is. He needs gone immediately
Richarlison has a goal involvement in less than every other game.
We've already kept more clean sheets this season than the entirety of last.
VdV and Romero haven't been injured.
Porro isn't constantly caught on the edge of the oppo penalty box when they break and put balls into his actual position.
Whilst he hasn't looked good, I think Bentancur has looked better.
But no, we haven't improved as much as I'd have liked.
All the while they know theyll outlast a manager, they never will
The should, but they wont
Best we can hope for is new manager comes in, genuine clean slate, and actually MANAGES
Matt Law has an excellent source at the club so when he writes an article we should take notice.
Looks like the writing is on the wall now. We will lose tomorrow in front of the home fans and the toxicity will go to fever pitch. I think he might be gone after that.
I've suspected for a long time that Frank is too nice, doesn't have the neccesary leadership qualities for this role, the players don't respect him etc
I believe unless we sack him immediately, we will suffer further damage.
Frank is a very similar case to Potter at Chelsea. They just weren't big enough characters for the job. They may well be good coaches / managers for smaller clubs, but they can't hack it at the top level.
And another thing, we need to stop taking managers from the likes of Brentford, Brighton etc It's quite obvious that the reason they do so well isn't the managers, it's their entire set up. Frank departs, and his fucking set piece coach is doing a better job ffs.
Potter goes and Brighton do even better under De Zerbi etc etc
We need to stop getting fooled by these clubs. Frank and Potter etc are actually elevated because of the set ups they worked in at these clubs, they aren't the main reason for the success.
Looks like the writing is on the wall now. We will lose tomorrow in front of the home fans and the toxicity will go to fever pitch. I think he might be gone after that.
I've suspected for a long time that Frank is too nice, doesn't have the neccesary leadership qualities for this role, the players don't respect him etc
I believe unless we sack him immediately, we will suffer further damage.
Frank is a very similar case to Potter at Chelsea. They just weren't big enough characters for the job. They may well be good coaches / managers for smaller clubs, but they can't hack it at the top level.
And another thing, we need to stop taking managers from the likes of Brentford, Brighton etc It's quite obvious that the reason they do so well isn't the managers, it's their entire set up. Frank departs, and his fucking set piece coach is doing a better job ffs.
Potter goes and Brighton do even better under De Zerbi etc etc
We need to stop getting fooled by these clubs. Frank and Potter etc are actually elevated because of the set ups they worked in at these clubs, they aren't the main reason for the success.
Our amazing fans. ?
Our away fans are up there as some of the best, I have been fortunate to be amongst them since the late 70s. I can certainly judge our atmosphere against others as have been to them all on numerous occasions.
Our Home fabs are the complete opposite of amazing. The atmosphere created is not one of supporting the team, it is one of just sitting there and then criticising and worse at every small mistake. Our ground is an opponents paradise with our fans always willing to turn on their own players at the first opportunity. That is not support and can totally understand our players not wanting to play in it.
You say just get rid of them, well their replacements would just encounter the same shit our current players do.
Until we create an atmosphere that is ieven in a small way conducive to allowing our players to play the game without fear of being called a cunt and booed every couple of minutes l, things won’t change
What happened to the coaching and team structure Frank would bring?
FWIW I don't think the squad is good enough but neither is Frank , not just in terms of tactics or basics, they just lack testicular fortitude, we have a squad full of boys so to speak and Frank is trying to be there mate, not upset the applecart, what we need is some real fighters in this squad and a manager who is not afraid to cut out the rot and drop shit performers, we have just become conditioned to losing , until we get a manager who the board are willing to back and who isn't afraid to cause a stir in the dressing room then i don't see us ever getting back to being a top 4 team, can this current setup provide that? thats the million dollar question!
its a vicious circle, Conte said as much and I agree, we can change the manager and it will give us a temporary boost but its the fundamentals at the club that need changing, until the message from the very top is we are here to win and we are giving you the tools required then nothing will really ever change!