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Manager Thomas Frank
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Managers preceding Frank and Brentord, where are they now?:
Dean Smith - Got his big step up to Villa, failed and was improved upon by Steven Gerrad. Norwich, Leicester and now Charlotte FC
Lee Carsley / Marinus Dijkhuizen - Marnius was a permanent hire, w2 d2 l5 - replaced with Carsley as interim - flop from the beginning
Mark Warburton - Rangers 2015-2017, Forest 2017, QPR 2019-22
Uwe Rosler - Wigan, Leeds, Fleetwood, Malmo, Fortuna Dusseldorf all for one season only, AGF 2022-25 and now VfL Bochum
Thomas Frank has so far followed this pattern by lasting 8 months in his big step up role...
I think Brentford are a pretty unique club. We have seen absolute nobodies given the job there (look at Andrews now) and theyve done well, looked good, raised lots of plaudits, "earned their right to a big job" and flopped. Its too much of a pattern to be ignored.
Small detail, but it was reported Frank wanted to know who to talk to about player discipline, not realising in 99% of clubs - it would be him. I find it very telling.
He was allowed to amass a very large back room team, unusual for a smaller club. EVERYTHING, it would seem, was handled for him - even down to player discipline. Its not even clear to me what involvement, if any, he had in things like recruitment.
In terms of being A MANAGER, he is clearly unqualified - not having any real experience of half of the job
At Brentford Id say he was A COACH and no more - and thats by and large why Brentford work as well as they do - they can succeed inexperienced coach with inexperienced coach because the job is probably half the remit it is anywhere else.
NONE of this is to try and hate on Frank - its just looking at how things are/have happened
I dont hate Frank, there are times where hes angered me, absolutely. And his press conferences frustrated the hell out of me. But I dont hate him.
I think he was promoted to a job well above his level and he was left floundering. Any fault here lays with Levy/Vinai and co for thinking he was the guy for the job. And moreso Vinai for hanging him out to dry.
I do find myself questioning if he even is a good coach though - and much will be proven/disproven in his next job. Im interested to see how it goes, genuinely, though my feeling now is that itll be the way of Smith, Warburton and co.
The main reason I say this?
Well the first thing is the fact Andrews is doing a better job than Frank ever did, without Mbuemo, Wissa (35 goals?) and Norgard - arguably Brentfords 3 best players. I think, at this point, it looks a lot like evidence to all Ive waffled above...
Secondly - his performance at Spurs. The recurring argument I have been making for the last 3 months is that despite all the challenges with injuries etc - he should be doing better with the resources at hand.
I made this post a little while ago, somewhat excacerbated, but I think its the point Im trying to make
Manager - Thomas Frank
I've been thinking this for a while. How can we have so many injuries, all the time. It's easy for a player to get paid, not play, and then not feel part of the failure. Players leave us and their injury records clear up. Players join us and all of a sudden, are injury-prone. Poor squad...
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A better coach has more in their locker than pump it upfield and spam crosses, let teams play through you at will...
He might be a nice guy
I do normally really support the underdog
I do genuinely like seeing people like Frank given a chance
I do genuinely like that it was us who gave him this chance
I wanted him to be the next Poch, come in, step up, succeed...
Its not that Im just a hater, Frank is a very "me" appointment.
Is just at this point - I think HE is the fault in this appointment more than anything. I, at this point, I think he's a bad coach.
I look forward to his next appointment with genuine curiosity. And good luck to him
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Managers preceding Frank and Brentord, where are they now?:
Dean Smith - Got his big step up to Villa, failed and was improved upon by Steven Gerrad. Norwich, Leicester and now Charlotte FC
Lee Carsley / Marinus Dijkhuizen - Marnius was a permanent hire, w2 d2 l5 - replaced with Carsley as interim - flop from the beginning
Mark Warburton - Rangers 2015-2017, Forest 2017, QPR 2019-22
Uwe Rosler - Wigan, Leeds, Fleetwood, Malmo, Fortuna Dusseldorf all for one season only, AGF 2022-25 and now VfL Bochum
Thomas Frank has so far followed this pattern by lasting 8 months in his big step up role...
I think Brentford are a pretty unique club. We have seen absolute nobodies given the job there (look at Andrews now) and theyve done well, looked good, raised lots of plaudits, "earned their right to a big job" and flopped. Its too much of a pattern to be ignored.
Small detail, but it was reported Frank wanted to know who to talk to about player discipline, not realising in 99% of clubs - it would be him. I find it very telling.
He was allowed to amass a very large back room team, unusual for a smaller club. EVERYTHING, it would seem, was handled for him - even down to player discipline. Its not even clear to me what involvement, if any, he had in things like recruitment.
In terms of being A MANAGER, he is clearly unqualified - not having any real experience of half of the job
At Brentford Id say he was A COACH and no more - and thats by and large why Brentford work as well as they do - they can succeed inexperienced coach with inexperienced coach because the job is probably half the remit it is anywhere else.
NONE of this is to try and hate on Frank - its just looking at how things are/have happened
I dont hate Frank, there are times where hes angered me, absolutely. And his press conferences frustrated the hell out of me. But I dont hate him.
I think he was promoted to a job well above his level and he was left floundering. Any fault here lays with Levy/Vinai and co for thinking he was the guy for the job. And moreso Vinai for hanging him out to dry.
I do find myself questioning if he even is a good coach though - and much will be proven/disproven in his next job. Im interested to see how it goes, genuinely, though my feeling now is that itll be the way of Smith, Warburton and co.
The main reason I say this?
Well the first thing is the fact Andrews is doing a better job than Frank ever did, without Mbuemo, Wissa (35 goals?) and Norgard - arguably Brentfords 3 best players. I think, at this point, it looks a lot like evidence to all Ive waffled above...
Secondly - his performance at Spurs. The recurring argument I have been making for the last 3 months is that despite all the challenges with injuries etc - he should be doing better with the resources at hand.
I made this post a little while ago, somewhat excacerbated, but I think its the point Im trying to make
Manager - Thomas Frank
I've been thinking this for a while. How can we have so many injuries, all the time. It's easy for a player to get paid, not play, and then not feel part of the failure. Players leave us and their injury records clear up. Players join us and all of a sudden, are injury-prone. Poor squad...
A better coach has more in their locker than pump it upfield and spam crosses, let teams play through you at will...
He might be a nice guy
I do normally really support the underdog
I do genuinely like seeing people like Frank given a chance
I do genuinely like that it was us who gave him this chance
I wanted him to be the next Poch, come in, step up, succeed...
Its not that Im just a hater, Frank is a very "me" appointment.
Is just at this point - I think HE is the fault in this appointment more than anything. I, at this point, I think he's a bad coach.
I look forward to his next appointment with genuine curiosity. And good luck to him
I watched a fan video on Brentford and it sounds like the head coach is just the slightly most Important coach at the club, so it’s managed by multiple people. Therefore they promote internally and rely on multiple heads. It’s no wonder the head coach can’t step up, he was barely a head coach at Brentford and now he’s a manager at Tottenham. It’s like going from head of department at a small bank to CEO of HSBC.
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it actually is bizarre the club did analysis and Lange appointed his mate who was miles out of his depth. They must have known he was out of his depth which makes them dodgy or they didn’t know which makes them incompetent but either way I don’t see how Lange’s position is tenable. Frank didn’t hire himself.
Lange is a good youth
I saw reported we want another DoF to go back to our dual set up.
In reality I suspect itll be a proper DoF with Lange under him.
Wasnt it the case before that Paratici was first team and Lange youth set up (basically)?
We basically did what Chelsea tried to do with Brighton
Agree with both you and postbox.
We hopefully secure safety and then big decisions will be required.
To go all in and to see somebody stumbling so poorly is a clear indication. of somebody who just found the gig too hard.
I still maintain that if we had lost games against the bigger teams but flattened the lesser sides, then we would be sitting in the top half, and debating in a different sphere.
Probably?
I mean, if we were playing just the same, but getting results - I think there would still be some heated debate around him
Think it speaks to the lack of proper "football" people involved in the process. Vinai the LinkedIn exec, Lange a glorified scout and Levy.
You'd hope that someone who really knew their stuff would have seen through Frank at the interview stage. Pretty sure he's had multiple interviews over the years (including Liverpool) and has never got a bigger job until Spurs.
While I don't usually trust Paratici on managers he's the only one that seemingly was against Frank from the beginning according to the Athletic. Maybe he sensed it?
Debate for sure, but he wouldn't have gone anywhere.
If it took what it did before the bullet was fired, can you imagine any situation which would otherwise have forced the issue? I can't.
Thankfully, for all concerned,now moot.
Sometimes in life you can put on a really expensive suit and still fail to look the part.
Paratici apparently wanted him gone months ago. While he isn’t perfect he is miles ahead of the others.
Well thats a slightly different angle.
Id say 100% there would be rolling arguements/debates about it, but also - 100% - Vinai wouldnt even think of sacking him if the results are there.
What’s worse is I spent a while thinking the club would be stupid enough to employ Gareth Southgate only for them to employ the a worse Danish version and didn’t even know until I actually watched his set up.
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