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Ex-Spurs Player Toby Alderweireld

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Jesus there's some dramatic responses in this thread.

At what stage has pochettino done enough to earn our trust? If he's okay with, shouldn't we be?

I don't want to sell him, he's a great player. But it clearly isn't as black and white as giving him what he wants. The first player to break out wage structure will start a domino effect and the club are not ready to have that happen just yet.

The fact it's Toby who is 28 and has missed large portions of the last 2 seasons and we have a ready made, younger replacement is obviously why they are not keen on giving him 150k a week.

Trust the process lads.
 
Just like walker, Toby will go on to win medals. As will rose in the summer aswell. How fucking dare they. The fucking cheek of them.

But the bonus of all this is, we can all sleep easily in our beds knowing that the wage structure hasn’t been broken , and the clubs finances are finely balanced. What more can we ask for. Thank god for levy and Enic .

I see what you're saying but it's more complex than that. With the stadium build being the clubs biggest priority and rightly in my opinion we need to balance the books. We've seen some great teams lose their way due to over spending and I'm sure we will see a few more over the years. The most important thing is the club and if the club has a domino effect when it comes to other players at the club demanding as much as Toby, which Kane, Lloris, Dele, Eriksen and even Jan will be well within their rights to do so it becomes a real hassle. Even our second tier players will want in and it'll cause mayhem.

I'd love to see Toby stay but he ball really is in Toby's court on this one. If we were a couple of years into he new stadium my stance would be different but if their is a discrepancy of £40k (£2m a year) that will have a domino effect on the rest of the dressing room.Christian will want £4-£5m per year, Dele would probably want a further £5m per year, Harry £2m-£5m a year, Jan £2m a year let alone what he rest of the squad would want. (Apparently Hugo has a match highest earner clause so that's a further £5m per year for him to keep him aligned with Kane.

Spread across 3-4 year extensions mentioned, those costs go up a further £96m ish purely based on extensions and not taking account on what they are already on. That's not including all the other players I've left out. Sorry Toby, we love you but we can't risk the future of our club with the effect giving you what you want may and will cause. I hope I'm wrong and Toby signs a reasonable deal but it's Spurs first always for me
 
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Seems like the fan base is split on this. So let's try and apply fact to the argument.

No industry has seen this kind of growth from one revenue source (TV) like the PL has. When you look at the top earners, all their matchday revenue, shirt sales, endorsement deals have stayed relatively stagnant in the last 5/10 years whilst TV money has gone through the roof. Looking at the facts, Sky viewers are down 20% YoY, and what this current deal tells us is that TV companies have had enough of paying top dollar for a product that isn't as popular as people think (in terms of people paying for it).

So what does Levy see as the future? He assumes TV revenue is going to drop which has been the lifeblood of money for 95% of clubs (bar the top 8) in the PL. Make no mistake, teams have miscalculated their wage structure (Stoke, West Ham etc) and could easily do another Pompey and go bust.

Therefore the future looks like this... the power will start going back to the clubs and away from the players. Toby is approaching the latter part of his career and wants 150kpw over the next 4/5 years when in reality he probably only deserves that for 1 possibly two years.

IMO we pay a proper bonus structure. You succeed with this club over a season you get the equivalent of 150 per week. If not your paid what you deserve which is below the top clubs who consistently deliver Trophies/Top 4. As I see it only really Kane has broken that "World Class" bracket and deserves that kind of money.
 
Poch's philosophy has been well drilled so in terms of goals shipped not really. I would say Toby's distribution and those long diags have been missed, he's a much more complete player than the rest, and much more comfortable on the ball going forward.
Disagree with the going forward on the ball bit, Vertonghen is the best at that with Foyth not far behind and Sanchez close on his heels, all three are better with the ball at their feet taking the ball into midfield or beating an oppo press (BTW that's not saying he's bad at it, just that IMO he's not as good as those 3 mentioned). Toby's biggest asset is his defending 1 v 1, I haven't seen a defender better than him, I'd be so bold as to say there isn't a better defender 1v1 in the World. You mentioned earlier his long ball range is also top draw and I would agree. In the air he is average, better than Vertonghen but maybe not as good as Sanchez(??). The partnership of Vertonghen and Alderwierled is superb as the pair know each others games, so they can cover each others weaknesses, they are both highly adept at playing LB and RB which makes them unique and why it's the best all-round CB partnership.

All this said and done we haven't missed him at all this season, we missed him desperately last season. We have recruited very, very well in Foyth and Sanchez and I've always been a fan boy of CCV (although he didn't impress in the couple of games he was given in LC and FA Cup), so we have cover with already proven or half proven players. This cover will also depend highly on Dier's contract, our most versatile player and vital to our balance and tactically flexibility, we'll get more mileage in paying Dier higher wages than Toby because of this, especially as Dier is still only 24yrs old!!!

Whilst the romance of football would have us keep him by paying an exorbitant salary and for him to see out his career at Spurs, we aren't Man U or City with their limitless pockets and if it were me and if he's demanding a salary we can't afford, then I'd sell him and take to the cleaners the buying club, he's got to be worth £60m (maybe less given his age). Whilst Toby has been utterly brilliant for us since he's joined, he was a nobody before he did, unplayed and not wanted at Atletico and an OK CB on loan at Southampton. He may continue his impressive form for another 2 or 3 years but there is also enough evidence to support that fact that he might not. There are loads of examples of players performance falling off a cliff at his age, just look at Vidic for evidence, went from one of the best CB's in the World to shit in the space of a season (2012) exactly the same age as Toby is now, so there is a big risk for us to sign a new deal with him too. Another way to look at it is this, is he going to get any better? The logical answer is no.
 
Toby missed 7 months because of injury's in last 3 seasons. And he'll be 29 in couple of days. You think it's gonna get better? He's great player, but not worth it right now.
 
The original story is that we could be selling him as the contract talks could break down....some Spurs tweeters jumped on it and now it's all definitely going to happen...think I'll wait a bit before twisting my knickers...

On a side issue, in the last 5 pages we've had three different guesses at Sissoko's wages...it's almost as if no one has a clue what the fuck he's earning.
 
Seems like the fan base is split on this. So let's try and apply fact to the argument.

No industry has seen this kind of growth from one revenue source (TV) like the PL has. When you look at the top earners, all their matchday revenue, shirt sales, endorsement deals have stayed relatively stagnant in the last 5/10 years whilst TV money has gone through the roof. Looking at the facts, Sky viewers are down 20% YoY, and what this current deal tells us is that TV companies have had enough of paying top dollar for a product that isn't as popular as people think (in terms of people paying for it).

So what does Levy see as the future? He assumes TV revenue is going to drop which has been the lifeblood of money for 95% of clubs (bar the top 8) in the PL. Make no mistake, teams have miscalculated their wage structure (Stoke, West Ham etc) and could easily do another Pompey and go bust.

Therefore the future looks like this... the power will start going back to the clubs and away from the players. Toby is approaching the latter part of his career and wants 150kpw over the next 4/5 years when in reality he probably only deserves that for 1 possibly two years.

IMO we pay a proper bonus structure. You succeed with this club over a season you get the equivalent of 150 per week. If not your paid what you deserve which is below the top clubs who consistently deliver Trophies/Top 4. As I see it only really Kane has broken that "World Class" bracket and deserves that kind of money.
Not bad for a debut post.
 
Looking foward to that.

Can't wait to hear from you how football was like in 1930s while I'm teaching you how different modern football is.

Don't get over excited yet, as the complexities of modern football might prove to be too much for your declining mental capacity.

You are the archetypal young fool, who is too arrogant and naive to see the paucity of their own understanding. Quite why you think I'm going to explain anything about football that happened 30 years prior to my birth shows you're none too bright, particularly given that you consistently show how little you understand about how football is played or managed currently, and have no ability to be able to discern the gifted from the less able footballers, despite having watched them play.

My guess is that you are still wearing velcro fastened shoes and have to eat using a spork.
 
How exactly are his better days behind him?
We do this all the time. When it seems a player wants to leave we suddenly decide "oh hes not that good anyway", "oh hes old", "oh its not a big loss". Toby has been the best cb in the league for the last 2 seasons and is up there as one of the best cbs in world football.

If this is true how long is this sort of thing continue? Are we gonna sell 1 star player every season until we have a squad full of average players who will not rock the boat and ask for more money.
Remember the trippier's much better than walker thing when we found out he was leaving. If we think they might go players are half the players they were overnight.
If it was jan rumoured to be going we would be saying toby's better anyway.
Hope he signs & we keep a very good CB.
 
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Must wait? How long? With this logic, Toby will be leaving. He's got one more season with us and then he's into his final year.

We're not stupid enough to get ourselves into a situation like those mugs down the road where a key first team player is in his last year of a contract. They ended up losing one of them to a rival and panicked and paid the other a ridiculous amount to stay.

We have an option to extend his contract by another year until 2020. Then there is the 3 week window for the £25m release clause. Toby has just come back from a long term injury and needs to play himself back into contention, we cannot just go agreeing a high contract with a player who’s not recovered peak fitness and form. More importantly Kane, Lloris, Vertonghen, Eriksen and Dele more deserving of pay rises.
 
Great point scott. People already stating that Sanchez is going to be better. . It’s just fans damage limitation. It’s a natural and understandable thing to do. Let’s face it, we’ve had a lot of practice at it
 
If the papers talk are true and it is £110k against £150k demands, then for sure they should meet half way. Unless these are figures after negotiations and they are still miles apart.
We don't know for sure.
 
pay the man. He deserves it - he’s one of the best in the world. If we loose him in the summer - say goodbye to Eriksen, Kane, Alli etc. Absolute joke from our board if true
 
Just regarding Kane. Correct me if I’m wrong , he said he will be happy to stay at spurs as long as we show ambition .

So we sold the best right back in the league last summer. We are now selling the best central defender in the league and one of the best in Europe, and we are also going to be selling the best left back in the league in the summer aswell .

I hope this meets young Harry’s requirements !
Here is the reality you racist cunt. Of those names mentioned Walker is the only player that was sold. A question should be asked, what are Spurs doing to keep their players?

And here's another, name me one club in World football who is more ambitious than Spurs that isn't owned by an entire Country?
 
Just regarding Kane. Correct me if I’m wrong , he said he will be happy to stay at spurs as long as we show ambition .

So we sold the best right back in the league last summer. We are now selling the best central defender in the league and one of the best in Europe, and we are also going to be selling the best left back in the league in the summer aswell .

I hope this meets young Harry’s requirements !
That's another flaw with our strict wage policy. We will continue to not win major trophies which means the likes of kane who wants to stay if we win things will end up going. Then we will have to pretend llorente's better anyway & we coped well when kane was injured & missed the 2-0 win against barnet.
But we can sleep well knowing we are morally better than the likes of slave owning murderous city owners. But we will take their blood ££ no questions asked. I like to tell myself walker's 50m was ££ from TV deals & not that other bad stuff.
 
Remember the trippier's much better walker thing when we found out he was leaving. If we think they might go players are half the players they were overnight.
If it was jan rumoured to be going we would be saying toby's better anyway.
Hope he signs & we keep a very good CB.
which is what I actually said in the first place........
I just added a caveat that we have two able young men coming up behind him, so it might not be the disaster that some people are fretting about
 
Remember the trippier's much better walker thing when we found out he was leaving. If we think they might go players are half the players they were overnight.
If it was jan rumoured to be going we would be saying toby's better anyway.
Hope he signs & we keep a very good CB.
Agree with this, but if the player is demanding parity with players who are at the very top of their game (like Harry Kane) then they have to be at the very top of their game too. Toby has been out injured.
Rose situation - exactly the same.

The timing of this breaking news is poor. The guy still has 2 years(?) left on his contract & for Martinez to say that he is having contract issues is not something he should be discussing. It’s given some weight to the rumours.

If he won’t sign an improved contract then his release clause is £25 million next summer as he goes into his final year? I wouldn’t be selling him before then. Sanchez & Foyth then get more time to bed in & flourish. Who knows how that will pan out? Whilst they are, they can still learn a lot from Toby & Jan. if Toby wants to then go and chase a mega deal, he can go for £25 million. His worth to us between now & then could be much more than the extra money we get from selling him now

He may even set foot inside the new stadium & think that he will make do with £100,000 a week.
 
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