Match Tottenham Vs Bournemouth - 2pm Sunday 9th March - Live on SKY

[Spudulike]

I’m not even coming on here to talk about Ange atm. In fact I’ve said he’s toast and I don’t want to talk about him… but you can’t even talk about any game or performance without every element of it being obsessively brought back to discussing the manager.

It’s cultish.

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You made your bed. The way you acted over the past few months with your unrelenting support for a manager that everyone knew was, and still is damaging the club we all love was pathetic.

Now you just don't want to talk about him. It's like you've been proven wrong so you're trying to hide from it. Fuck you.

At least Shadydan has the decency to lay low for a while.

 

[Kosher Kid]

Forgive the ignorance on this one and whatever the answer is, we still ended up with the press broken so it was a fuck up somewhere..

But if Romero is pressing where Porro should be and Porro is covering CB, is that not just a pretty standard positional rotation that all teams have to do to cover when someone is out of position?
To support that a bit, Bournemouth never had a numbers advantage in that screenshot you put for that passage?

It seems the biggest fuckup is actually down our right with the MF and front 3 getting broken too easily

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I thought Romero and Porro are so shit / corrupt they just gave the ball away.

Silly me.

 

[Richard Arlison]

You made your bed. The way you acted over the past few months with your unrelenting support for a manager that everyone knew was, and still is damaging the club we all love was pathetic.

Now you just don't want to talk about him. It's like you've been proven wrong so you're trying to hide from it. Fuck you.

At least Shadydan has the decency to lay low for a while.

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Ok Spud

 

[Spudulike]

Ok Spud

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And there we go. Point proven.

 

[Richard Arlison]

I thought Romero and Porro are so shit / corrupt they just gave the ball away.

Silly me.

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You are forgiven

 

[Richard Arlison]

And there we go. Point proven.

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Thanks Spud.

 

[Gatsby]

I might seem very strange for saying this, but Son’s penalty yesterday.. I got the sense he didn’t care if he missed. I think there’s a breakdown between the leadership group and Ange. The three captains aren’t supporting Ange, and others are following suit.

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

I might seem very strange for saying this, but Son’s penalty yesterday.. I got the sense he didn’t care if he missed. I think there’s a breakdown between the leadership group and Ange. The three captains aren’t supporting Ange, and others are following suit.

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They ain't dying for this bloke any more that's for sure.

 

[Go on son]

This is right after Spence taking a throw-in around where he stands. Sarr is searching for an opening, but everybody is either marked or has an opponent running at him that will get there by the time pass reaches its target. You can already see Porro sitting narrow because inverted fullbacks, which will be relevant soon.

This is slightly misleading because it gives the impression that Romero will have all the time in the world after he gets it from Vicario, because you can see a Bournemouth player running right at him.

By the time the pass is made, the said Bournemouth player has already covered a good amount of the distance between himself and Romero. The latter will be in trouble soon.

At this point Romero has two people running at him, and nobody except Bentancur who is trying to make a run wide is even semi-available. All of this stuff is happening in real time obviously, so screenshots always underestimate the difficulty of playing these passes through tight spaces.

Turns out even Bentancur is chased by a player. Johnson, who is also marked by the way, comes out of nowhere to provide an outlet by dropping deep in a hurry but can't execute the relatively difficult one touch pass. Turnover.

Similar scenes a minute later. Romero, not being able to find anybody open, gives it to Bissouma regardless who's under immense pressure. Everybody's easily marked mainly because how close they stand to each other. Porro is once again sitting narrow as instructed, which eliminates a crucial passing option of Romero's.

Bissouma makes a mess of it, and Bournemouth walk into a clear goal scoring opportunity without breaking a sweat. It's that simple.

Same stuff a few minutes later. Romero is once again searching for an open teammate in vain. Porro the RB is nowhere to be seen because he's instructed to bomb forward. Spence the LB sits narrow, which takes another passing option away. Romero gives it to Bentancur regardless, lest he has to hoof it up.

As you can see Bentancur has no other choice but to pass it all the way back to keeper, which I assume is not something the manager would like to see from his players.If he doesn't get tackled that'll allow Bournemouth to get out in transition that is.

Referee comes to the rescue by blowing the whistle, because otherwise Romero and Danso would have got caught in a 2v2 in open space. Just like that.

I didn't even include the first minute giveaway by Romero, as it was an unforced error on his part. This kind of stuff happened over and over again over the course of the match, with Ange standing on the sidelines helplessly. Either Iraola is the biggest genius around, or Ange is extraordinarily incompetent. Take your pick

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In the 1st few min they had 3 goal chances but only had 9 successful passes.
Mindboggling

 

[Go on son]

We didn’t deserve to get much from the game don’t get me wrong but we weren’t dominated. Our problems were all self inflicted. On the offensive end as well, we created great situations plenty of times and the execution of the final action was poor.

But it was better than AZ.

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How could it not be better than AZ. Thats not even 1 bit encouraging.
We played a better team.
All our problems all season are all self inflicted it seams so. Its this way because of the way we are set up. Its the same every single game.

 

[Go on son]

I’m not even coming on here to talk about Ange atm. In fact I’ve said he’s toast and I don’t want to talk about him… but you can’t even talk about any game or performance without every element of it being obsessively brought back to discussing the manager.

It’s cultish.

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Hes the one who picks the team, sets out strategies, tactics, how we play, and its been as bad as ive ever seen it. Of course it comes back on the manager.

 

[ThePreacher]

So, against my better judgement I decided to watch this back after missing it.

I’ll get pelters for this but it was nowhere near as bad as I was expecting. I mean it was awful and full of mind bogglingly dumb individual mistakes but it was still somehow better than AZ and that draw will have given confidence that had ZERO for most of the game.

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That's what the lookout said to Captain Edward Smith.

 

[ThePreacher]

I thought Romero and Porro are so shit / corrupt they just gave the ball away.

Silly me.

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Porro I thought played well.

If you know football, I'd ask you this.

When Porro was close to the Bournemouth area and lost the ball (ALL players lose the ball by the way) for their first goal, which player should have been backing him up. Which player should have moved across to fill his position as he advanced as a wingback?

No one did.

It was Romero's first game back and Bournemouth had a superb game plan and one that Ange did fuck all to nullify. He got better as the game went on, and will start alongside VDV on Thursday.

If ever Redknapp's famous saying "just go out their and fucking run around a bit" is to be observed in action, just watch a game under Ange's managment.

 

[bk_spur]

Thankfully the Bournemouth player (Kluivert?) messes up the final ball which is intercepted by Porro and ends up in the hands of Vicario. As you can see there's a player open on the edge of the box, and another one running behind Romero.

Calling this pressing is an insult to the teams that actually know how to press, such as Bournemouth. This is just running around like headless chickens, there's no logic or structure behind it.

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Agree. Great post.

Our pressing I think is ineffective because it's impossible to pull off as desired. Individual players seem to simply stop pressing hard- because they are tired- and then the press breaks down or looks ineffective. If you press hard all the time then you can't press harder at specific times- because you're pressing hard already. This tactic is just impossible to accomplish. I think it's disheartening for some of the senior players who can see it for what it is. The younger players are not yet so jaded by experience and are just glad to be playing.

The verticality and setup of the fullbacks- constantly, purposefully, eschewing a standard wide position which gives CBs legitimate options and stretches a press- always puts us in danger of turning it over in front of our own goal. It's like we play out of the back- dangerous as is- and then do it in a way that makes us more likely to turn it over and in critical areas. What the hell are we actually doing? Then, as the their first goal showed, an out of position ('in' position for Angeball), far up the pitch Porro gets completely caught out by Kerkez who races down our right side completely unopposed to deliver an absolute peach of an early cross. It's like the worst of all worlds- which is just so dumb. I really hope Levy and the board are understanding this by now.

 

[guyt2030]

Agree. Great post.

Our pressing I think is ineffective because it's impossible to pull off as desired. Individual players seem to simply stop pressing hard- because they are tired- and then the press breaks down or looks ineffective. If you press hard all the time then you can't press harder at specific times- because you're pressing hard already. This tactic is just impossible to accomplish. I think it's disheartening for some of the senior players who can see it for what it is. The younger players are not yet so jaded by experience and are just glad to be playing.

The verticality and setup of the fullbacks- constantly, purposefully, eschewing a standard wide position which gives CBs legitimate options and stretches a press- always puts us in danger of turning it over in front of our own goal. It's like we play out of the back- dangerous as is- and then do it in a way that makes us more likely to turn it over and in critical areas. What the hell are we actually doing? Then, as the their first goal showed, an out of position ('in' position for Angeball), far up the pitch Porro gets completely caught out by Kerkez who races down our right side completely unopposed to deliver an absolute peach of an early cross. It's like the worst of all worlds- which is just so dumb. I really hope Levy and the board are understanding this by now.

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You sir have literally summed up what I was going to say! o7

I just want to explain what, from what I've seen & have an understanding of Angeball why as these things are happening. I'm taking my knowledge directly from sources I've posted below & from my own eye test my response.

"Our pressing I think is ineffective because it's impossible to pull off as desired. Individual players seem to simply stop pressing hard"

Completely agree & yes physicality is a factor regarding tiredness but I am always hesitant to just use that narrative, I'm not dismissing it by any means but I also want to touch on something that is also a factor & that is mentality. The reason I say this is because even when we have a substantial break between games our pressing is quite frankly sub-par compared to other teams our transition to the defensive stage when we lose possession, which happened far too many times, it appeared Spurs didn't have the grit to then reclaim possession through 1-2-1 duels.

"The verticality and setup of the fullbacks- constantly, purposefully, eschewing a standard wide position which gives CBs legitimate options and stretches a press- always puts us in danger of turning it over in front of our own goal"

Personally I'm sick and tired of horse-shoe football I understand why they're doing it but not only does it provide unentertaining but they're not performing these stages with enough pace & precision to make it work. I know Ange uses inverted fullbacks which creates a very narrow defensive line which as we saw in the Bournemouth game was easily penetrated via the wings on the first goal so I completely agree with your analysis. Regarding playing out the back I have no idea why our passing was so dreadful it could be a coaching issue or it could lack of concerntration but again I just couldn't see a winning mentality.

The second goal you can see our faults as soon as soon as Bergvall was passed our players didn't start their runs back until it was too late except 2 players - Spence who realised where the ball was going to be played & Maddison who tried to intercept/tackle but by the time the ball went to Evanilson I knew it was a goal as Danso wouldn't be able to intercept & as much pace Spence has he was never going to get there in time.

The moment I knew we would concede

I think from my point of view our greatest issue is a complete lack of cohesive play both on & off the ball - what is the root cause? I could speculate but I'll probably be wrong.

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[Kosher Kid]

Porro I thought played well.

If you know football, I'd ask you this.

When Porro was close to the Bournemouth area and lost the ball (ALL players lose the ball by the way) for their first goal, which player should have been backing him up. Which player should have moved across to fill his position as he advanced as a wingback?

No one did.

It was Romero's first game back and Bournemouth had a superb game plan and one that Ange did fuck all to nullify. He got better as the game went on, and will start alongside VDV on Thursday.

If ever Redknapp's famous saying "just go out their and fucking run around a bit" is to be observed in action, just watch a game under Ange's managment.

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Porro did not play well defensively against Bournemouth.

Porro never plays well defensively.

Porro is employed as a defender by THFC.

I think a case could be made to suggest that Porro could improve defensively under a different coach.

Under Ange; Porro is continually being exposed as a weakness and nothing is being done to address the situation. Most of Spurs problems come down the right side, in such a predictable manner, it just makes Spurs look amateur and shit.

Spence has done better than Porro defensively in the cameo appearances he has made at right back.

I think it is fair to state that for all the positive things Porro is capable of going forward; his shortcomings defensively outweigh any value he is bringing to the team in an attacking / creative sense.

Playing next to Romero, in Ange's system, appears to compound this weakness.

In my opinion.

It's why I remain convinced that Marco Silva should have been recruited in the Autumn after the first 10 games of the season.

Silva could improve many of this current group and organise the defence.

 

[kingdawson]

So, against my better judgement I decided to watch this back after missing it.

I’ll get pelters for this but it was nowhere near as bad as I was expecting. I mean it was awful and full of mind bogglingly dumb individual mistakes but it was still somehow better than AZ and that draw will have given confidence that had ZERO for most of the game.

My takes:

1. All the chances we conceded, aside from the second goal were our mistakes. All of them unforced except maybe Bissouma’s first mistake against the press. Bournemouth did their usual Jose ball style but with the high press mixed in and credit to them for having their identity locked down (incredible cross Kerkez first goal) but our troubles were self inflicted.

2. The second goal doesn’t happen with Romero on the pitch. Not knocking Danso but his instincts are more geared to the recovery run like VDV, a more proactive, front foot CB sees that Bergvall as the 6 stepped over onto Semenyo so our CBs weren’t split too far apart so that pass in between the lines was his.

3. The same gaps from missed passes and over excited presses were there but you can see the mistakes that caused them and you can also see that a player like Odobert doesn’t give the ball away in those dangerous situations.

4. Odobert was low key very encouraging. Especially on the right. Other than Maddison he’s our least predictable attacker. Likes to play 1-2’s and not just robotically get to the byline for cutbacks.

5. Johnson and Bentancur had stinkers. We got in behind Kerkez about 5 times in the first half and Johnson wasted all of them. Usually you at least get low crosses from him but not even that. Bentancur legitimately abject. I don’t get why Bissouma was subbed and I don’t get why Gray can’t get a chance when both our senior CMs play like That.

6. Sarr looks like he’s finding form. Him and Bergvall have to play with Maddison on Thursday. As much as our self inflicted mess should have already cost us the game, if Sarr scores that first chance at 1-0, we probably even win the game.

7. Son is a super sub and he can still be really effective at this level playing the role. The penalty wasn’t luck, there was a bit of rage in the piss take of rolling that in. Let’s hope he’s still angry on Thursday.

Overall, with confidence and a bit of form from that game, Thursday is a big ask but somehow….somehow still not impossible.

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Bruh wtf you on about?

you literally said this about Bissouma yesterday:

"Bissouma wasn’t unlucky to be subbed either btw. He was playing ok but his first mistake should have cost us a goal and the second before HT got him booked and instantly a red card risk"



at least be consistent in what you say, jeez.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Bruh wtf you on about?

you literally said this about Bissouma yesterday:

"Bissouma wasn’t unlucky to be subbed either btw. He was playing ok but his first mistake should have cost us a goal and the second before HT got him booked and instantly a red card risk"



at least be consistent in what you say, jeez.

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My mistake I meant I don’t get why Bissouma was subbed before Bentancur who was much worse. I wasn’t trying to say he didn’t deserve to get hooked,

I’d happily play gray over either of them from now.

 

[Nuts]

Under Ange; Porro is continually being exposed as a weakness and nothing is being done to address the situation.

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I remember when Sissoko was used to protect Aurier and that did help to a degree. Not sure there's any such plan under Ange.

 

[Teach]

Porro did not play well defensively against Bournemouth.

Porro never plays well defensively.

Porro is employed as a defender by THFC.

I think a case could be made to suggest that Porro could improve defensively under a different coach.

Under Ange; Porro is continually being exposed as a weakness and nothing is being done to address the situation. Most of Spurs problems come down the right side, in such a predictable manner, it just makes Spurs look amateur and shit.

Spence has done better than Porro defensively in the cameo appearances he has made at right back.

I think it is fair to state that for all the positive things Porro is capable of going forward; his shortcomings defensively outweigh any value he is bringing to the team in an attacking / creative sense.

Playing next to Romero, in Ange's system, appears to compound this weakness.

In my opinion.

It's why I remain convinced that Marco Silva should have been recruited in the Autumn after the first 10 games of the season.

Silva could improve many of this current group and organise the defence.

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Porro has the hard working and tenacious Johnson to double up and track runners - remember the effort of Aaron Lennon vs this aimless jogger and its not hard to see why Porro looks isolated