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Match Tottenham Vs West Ham - Sat 19th Oct, 12.30 KO.

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Shadydan said:
I will give you constructive discussion if it deserves it, quite frankly silly posts like the one you made deserves to be ridiculed, sorry if that sounds arrogant but that's just how it is.

Anyway it's a bit if fun really, I don't see why the massive topic of discussion is and I don't see why its burning you so much...we won the match we should be happy and talking about the merits of our performance but no 48 hours later people are still crying about it weird.

I'm gonna do it again by the way just so you know if I see the same kind of posts, I suggest that if you don't want to have your name up in lights then be a bit more humble 😄
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Shady, if "putting my name in lights" gives you something to do, knock yourself out mate, I’m really not fussed either way tbh.

My only issue was that you seemed to care more about point scoring than the actual result but since we have established this is somewhat of a hobby for you on here then I guess keep doing what you enjoy.

I’d rather be reactive and sometimes overly emotional about my team and the manager (both in a positive and negative way; I have been plenty of both) and actually enjoy the highs and lows of the match than spend a whole game collecting posts from other members just for a bit of post-match point-scoring on a forum full of strangers, if you derive pleasure from that, more power to you Shady, I really don't know what else to say at this point so will just leave it there.
 
Ionman34 said:
Ok

Experience with other managers who struggled isn't evidence, as it is totally unrelated to what AP is doing or what he has available.
The only evidence we currently have is what he has done previously, and what he is doing now. What he is doing now is too small a pool to make any kind of definitive statement. What he's done previously is over decades. It most definitely does make their pool of evidence weaker, as there's far less of it, and we're at the beginning without a finished product on the pitch.

And yet not one poster defending AP has categorically stated that he will succeed. The only "emotional certainty" is coming from the idiots.

It's really not. I have qualified numerous times that mine is a belief, not a certainty. If posters choose to ignore that, and decide they know better what I'm saying than I do, then THAT is where the conversation breaks down. You're able to understand this but they aren't?

Sounds like an idiot to me.

I get it. Regardless of his intentions though, his post content was on point in relation to this discussion. It clearly showed the idiotic certainty of the idiot posters, which is the topic of our discussion.

I'm far from rigid in my views, as my posting history will attest to. However, experience has shown me how this type of poster operates. They'll never be won over, they'll just go quiet and change their usernames. That's not just experience on this forum talking, that's experience of idiots going way back to the AOL days when I first started posting.

Agreed. As I've already stated, not everyone with an opposing viewpoint is going to die on that hill. I'm not referring to them, I'm referring to the small handful of idiots who display time and again that they are incapable of that kind of cognitive reasoning.


At what point have I dismissed ALL critics as unreachable? Christ on a bike, I've actually differentiated between critics and idiots at least twice in this discourse. Skepticism I can respect. When someone says "yeah, I'm not convinced yet," I can totally understand and respect that viewpoint. When someone says "he'll never make it with us," after our first defeat in 5 games, they're an idiot.
It's notable that they piled on when We scored, then completely disappeared when we went 2-1 up. If they're emotional, then where is the positive emotion? Why do they disappear at the point when our club is actually doing something to put a smile on your face?

Where we differ is that I don't see what the idiots post as criticism. There's no critique, just insults and attacks.

Criticism I both accept and respect, as long as it is both valid and balanced. Something you don't get from the idiots.

Thanks for the discourse. I do enjoy these sort of "back and forth" dialogues, without the cunt offs, with reasonable people, which you most definitely are. I can see you're playing Devil's advocate somewhat here, but I do think you give some of these posters far more credit than they deserve. It most definitely is a small minority that I regard as utter idiots, and it is solely them that I apply the accolade to, as I recognise that there are valid concerns from some who are yet to be won over.
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I was going to give a long response but truthfully I can keep this fairly concise and still convey my point.

I think fundementally there are areas we agree upon and areas we do not; maybe I am playing devil's advocate to a certain degree and I do agree that some posters have an axe to grind, irrespective of results; but I would like to think the majority of the people who aren't sure of him as our manager can be convinced otherwise.

That's all that matters to me as a supporter of this club, the small number of people who never have a good word to say are inconsequential to me if I am honest, same with the people who never have a bad word to say.

No worries, I can also tell you're a reasonable person, I rarely have cunt offs on here either tbh, it's not that I couldn't, I just don't see the point in it, would rather have an actual discussion, too many people treat forums like twitter brainrot now, wish they would leave the shitposting on social media.
 
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Ionman34 said:
I don't think we're far apart at all, I thought I was more than clear there.

Agreed.

A far smaller pool of evidence, which is shaky at best because of the myriad factors at play here. New team, new manager, new direction, and a host of mentality challenges that everyone has recognised, but some expect to be fixed all at once and in a single season.

But we come back to my ultimate point here, which you've effectively proven for me. Yes, we're all making guesses, but not all are educated. Stating a belief and stating a belief as fact is the difference, and it's far bigger than you seem to think. I'm not talking about those who have a different belief, I have no right to denigrate that belief. I do have the right to denigrate those who pass it off as fact. You've already noted those who steadfastly refuse to entertain the possibility that they could be wrong. Those are the idiots. They'll never ever be "won over" if AP gets it right, they'll either just disappear, or move right onto their next "statement of fact" that has as much substance as a fart in a hurricane.

All of that is irrelevant. That single post wasn't though. Your feelings about the poster don't negate the validity of the post.

But they're not. This isn't blind faith. I'm realistic enough to appreciate that it might not work, it's a big step up for him after all. I'm just experienced enough to know that it will take time and patience, and that there's not nearly enough evidence to support any assertions that he will fail.

No one is, apart from the idiots.



It is 100%

When they say them repeatedly after every loss or draw, them completely disappear when we don't, I don't think it's a stretch to state they truly DO mean what they say. If they didn't then surely they'd be on here enjoying the successes?
So far, we've had more successes than fails, yet you never see the idiots on here after a success, other than to find another reason to try to rain on the parade. You'd have to be particularly myopic not to see that.

NOT. A. FUCKING. CHANCE!

It is. The thing is though, this isn't about the idiots thinking he'll fail because of the leadership, it's because they think HE will fail regardless. We've already had one clown on here calling him a supply teacher. Won over? All you'll see is a name change so the tarts can hide.
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Billy Bob mate said:
Just voted for 'Win'
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Me to. This captain hindsight shit is great, can be right everytime. When we play well I can tell everyone of the brilliance of Ange, the project and Kulusevski and when we play badly I can bemoan the quality of Werner.

Always right, all the time. Like John Terry putting his kit on after playing 0 minutes of a final to lift the cup and still claim the glory. What a legend I am.
 
Shadydan said:
I will give you constructive discussion if it deserves it, quite frankly silly posts like the one you made deserves to be ridiculed, sorry if that sounds arrogant but that's just how it is.

Anyway it's a bit if fun really, I don't see why the massive topic of discussion is and I don't see why its burning you so much...we won the match we should be happy and talking about the merits of our performance but no 48 hours later people are still crying about it weird.

I'm gonna do it again by the way just so you know if I see the same kind of posts, I suggest that if you don't want to have your name up in lights then be a bit more humble 😄
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Humility advice - from you?

FMOB
 
Mick Cooper said:
still trying to get my head round VDV's yellow

Yellow card issued because he allowed himself to be kicked whilst lying on the pitch, and for having the barefaced cheek to complain about the assault to his attacker, and then viciously batter the assailants hand with his face
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Yeah, unfortunately, you can't get up and push the player in the chest, no matter how deserved it is. Glad he did though. That got Kudus sent off basically.
 
Spurs have been charged by the FA for not controlling our players? Given Kudos kicked vdv twice on the ground and then pushed in his face, I’m not sure that our players reaction was unreasonable.
 
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