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Player Xavi Simons

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bonaspur23 said:
That’s a very disingenuous way to describe what actually happened.

The Ajax win got us to the biggest match this club has ever had in my lifetime. So how did that ultimately mean fuck all?

I really don’t care about joint 3rd all time UEFA trophy. Your equating a CL trophy to a Europa trophy and it’s clearly not.

We won a Europa trophy last season because the top 30ish teams in Europe were too good to qualify for the competition we were in. It was a nice accomplishment but nowhere near a peak moment for this club.

Sonny finally getting a deserved medal and getting the no trophy monkey off our backs were certainly positives though.

Some of you think everything is about trophy or no trophy and can’t bring any context into it. It’s such a simple way to think. Then I challenge by saying “if we win the conference league, would it be bigger than a CL final” and no one ever answers because it’s absolutely ridiculous to think so.
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I've mentioned this disingenuous line of thinking when it has come to retrospectively pretending like the last 25 years have been a waste. There have been some amazing moments since the turn of the century that all look, no doubt, uninspiring in the rear view mirror (or to a younger fan).

Finishing in the top 6 was amazing, I got a tattoo the day we beat that era of Chelsea in a cup final, back-to-back league cup finals (end in disappointment, but still..) the football and squad under Redknapp, getting top 4 and CL for the first time. Signing Van der Vaart. The emerging Harry Kane. Pochettino era and finishing top 3 twice and 2nd in the league. Getting to a Champions League final.

Winning the UEFA cup/Europa is a monkey off our back and a credit to the club/team for getting over the line for once... but as a fan, I just feel like losing every week for what felt like forever didn't make the final feel better, because we watched the same old shit limp dick football and won despite being awful. Maybe I'd have felt totally different about it if we had 2 minutes of good football out of 96 mins total and scored a last minute winner, but I wouldn't really rank how I felt about it (which was still the most stressful hour of my life no doubt) above the sheer joy I've had from this team from 'lesser' accomplishments.

I don't think, deep down, that is different to other football fans. I reckon Everton fans have had more joy out of their last minute relegation beating moments than finishing 12th. It's just how it is.

I reckon there will be O.G. Man City fans who remember Nicky Weaver's penalty save more fondly than the last 10 cup wins
 
Kaz Hirai said:
Ok.
Well I'd prefer winning a Europa trophy and the joy that followed rather than winning a semi final

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For years the same people were insistent that a trophy was a must - the overriding priority - but when they finally got one (and a MASSIVE one too) they can't really enjoy it because they spent all their moral capital on cunting off the manager and anyone who supported him while manager.

It's quite sad really but hey ho -

FUCK XAVI SIMONS FOR THE 2021 league cup loss
 
Phomesy said:
For years the same people were insistent that a trophy was a must - the overriding priority - but when they finally got one (and a MASSIVE one too) they can't really enjoy it because they spent all their moral capital on cunting off the manager and anyone who supported him while manager.
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It’s wild.

I lost count of the number of times in the past I pointed out when we win a trophy we often had a pretty shit season.

The 91 cup winning season being a prime example. Awful after Xmas. Really really poor.

Other cup winning seasons.
Ramos season. 11 wins.
George Graham season. 11 wins. Iverson our top scorer with 9 goals.

And the league cup. The shitty one which now is actually really really fucking hard to win and a major accomplishment.

But these trophies were used as a huge fuck off stick to beat levy with. And any manager since.

We finally win a trophy. And still no joy.

Social media and the internet has absolutely ruined people.
 
WillWilliams said:
It’s wild.

I lost count of the number of times in the past I pointed out when we win a trophy we often had a pretty shit season.

The 91 cup winning season being a prime example. Awful after Xmas. Really really poor.

Other cup winning seasons.
Ramos season. 11 wins.
George Graham season. 11 wins. Iverson our top scorer with 9 goals.

And the league cup. The shitty one which now is actually really really fucking hard to win and a major accomplishment.

But these trophies were used as a huge fuck off stick to beat levy with. And any manager since.

We finally win a trophy. And still no joy.

Social media and the internet has absolutely ruined people.
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You really believe some voodoo crap man thats whats wild Will. Lol these patterns you see are not patterns at all. That sound after lightning its not god moving furniture either. Improbable probability and the law of large numbers. I dont think bad season win cup means what you think it means.
 
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Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
You really believe some voodoo crap man thats whats wild Will. Lol these patterns you see are not patterns at all. That sound after lightning its not god moving furniture either. Improbable probability and the law of large numbers. I dont think bad season win cup means what you think it means.
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It’s not patterns I’m taking about you madman.

It’s the fact that when we have won cups we have been shit in the league.
And yet loads of posters on here claim those seasons are the only ones that matter.

It’s just a very bizarre coincidence the season we do manage to win something we only won 11 league games.

And then when we live through one of these trophy winning seasons it’s suddenly shit.

Funny how people change their opinions so quickly. (No idea where you stand on the “trophies matter more than anything / levy out for winning nothing” brigade).
 
WillWilliams said:
It’s not patterns I’m taking about you madman.

It’s the fact that when we have won cups we have been shit in the league.
And yet loads of posters on here claim those seasons are the only ones that matter.

It’s just a very bizarre coincidence the season we do manage to win something we only won 11 league games.

And then when we live through one of these trophy winning seasons it’s suddenly shit.

Funny how people change their opinions so quickly. (No idea where you stand on the “trophies matter more than anything / levy out for winning nothi
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I lost count of the number of times in the past I pointed out when we win a trophy we often had a pretty shit season.

If this isnt you pointing out that there is some corellation with us having a bad league season and winning a cup. I dont know what to tell you...and im mad lol. And oddly you're doing it again... its not a coincidence, that's you finding patterns. Its just numbers mate we have historically had a decent first eleven and a poor squad that leads to short spells of form, that kind of lends its self to winning six/eight game tournaments. There's nothing odd coincidental or mysterious about it. 😆
 
Fattynomates said:
If he was the one player in a team looking poor then we could get worried however last night barring Vic and Gray everyone looked off their game, like i said in a previous post I'm hoping it just starts to click , I really like what Glasner has done with Palace but then if you look at his first 10 games there they were terrible, lets just hope we can suddenly start clicking , but right now when pretty much the whole team looks turgid its a bit unfair to single out new players.
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Good points!

Simons is struggling but so is our whole team at the moment, so it is a bit unfair for people to single him out.
We totally lack cohesion and there seems to be so many players down on confidence.

The three forwards ahead of him (Richy, Kudus, Odobert) do not run into space and are not looking for through balls. Personally I'd like to see Johnson playing and I think it would suit Simons as well.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
I lost count of the number of times in the past I pointed out when we win a trophy we often had a pretty shit season.

If this isnt you pointing out that there is some corellation with us having a bad league season and winning a cup. I dont know what to tell you...and im mad lol. And oddly you're doing it again... its not a coincidence, that's you finding patterns. Its just numbers mate we have historically had a decent first eleven and a poor squad that leads to short spells of form, that kind of lends its self to winning six/eight game tournaments. There's nothing odd coincidental or mysterious about it. 😆
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Let’s simplify it for your brain.

What’s better and more successful?

Winning a Europa league or Carabao Cup and finishing bottom half.
Or finishing 2nd and winning nothing at all.

For a long time for a lot of posters they would have said winning a cup.
Until it happened. Then it was shit. 2nd place became the true marker of success.
 
WillWilliams said:
Let’s simplify it for your brain.

What’s better and more successful?

Winning a Europa league or Carabao Cup and finishing bottom half.
Or finishing 2nd and winning nothing at all.

For a long time for a lot of posters they would have said winning a cup.
Until it happened. Then it was shit. 2nd place became the true marker of success.
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Well I think when a fanbase goes a long time without winning a trophy when they do finally win one it feels far more meaningful and emotional.

If Chelsea, City or United had won the Europa last season their fans would've obviously celebrated but it wouldn't have meant that much. It would've been like another notch on their belt, whereas for us it was extremely important - almost like losing our trophy virginity as it had been so long.

The Carling Cup win was similar. Smashing Woolwich in the semis and then beating Chelsea in the final. Just incredible. Regardless of the shitty seasons, those 2 trophy wins are still easily the best moments of my Spurs supporting life (Ajax being the only other game that comes anywhere near). Obviously the Poch era was the most broadly enjoyable and successful time for the club as we were fucking great, but the momentary high of winning the Europa tops anything over that 3-4 year period.

However, now that we've won something the clock goes back to zero. If we were to win a cup this year (excluding the league or the CL) it wouldn't be half as exciting or emotional as winning Europa was. I think now the priority goes away from getting the trophy monkey off our back and back to being a contender and challenging at the top of the table again.

Like, if someone offered me 17th and winning Europa last season I would've bitten their hand off for it. But if you offered me the same thing this season, I'd turn it down. Now that we've won a trophy my priority is far more focused on the league and our general level of performance, building something for the long term.
 
Timberwolf said:
Well I think when a fanbase goes a long time without winning a trophy when they do finally win one it feels far more meaningful and emotional.

If Chelsea, City or United had won the Europa last season their fans would've obviously celebrated but it wouldn't have meant that much. It would've been like another notch on their belt, whereas for us it was extremely important - almost like losing our trophy virginity as it had been so long.

The Carling Cup win was similar. Smashing Woolwich in the semis and then beating Chelsea in the final. Just incredible. Regardless of the shitty seasons, those 2 trophy wins are still easily the best moments of my Spurs supporting life (Ajax being the only other game that comes anywhere near). Obviously the Poch era was the most broadly enjoyable and successful time for the club as we were fucking great, but the momentary high of winning the Europa tops anything over that 3-4 year period.

However, now that we've won something the clock goes back to zero. If we were to win a cup this year (excluding the league or the CL) it wouldn't be half as exciting or emotional as winning Europa was. I think now the priority goes away from getting the trophy monkey off our back and back to being a contender and challenging at the top of the table again.

Like, if someone offered me 17th and winning Europa last season I would've bitten their hand off for it. But if you offered me the same thing this season, I'd turn it down. Now that we've won a trophy my priority is far more focused on the league and our general level of performance, building something for the long term.
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That’s a balanced view.

That 5-1 night at the Lane will always stick in my head. The Bell and Hare beforehand was electric. There was just a feeling in the air.

I didn’t feel that this season at all tbh. Keane and berbatov were levels above what we offer up front now. Lennon over Johnson.
We even had Defoe coming off the bench.

Anyway I digress.

Unfortunately balance seems to have gone out the window for a lot of people.

Arteta and his concurrent 2nd places is the new marker of success it appears.
 
WillWilliams said:
That’s a balanced view.

That 5-1 night at the Lane will always stick in my head. The Bell and Hare beforehand was electric. There was just a feeling in the air.

I didn’t feel that this season at all tbh. Keane and berbatov were levels above what we offer up front now. Lennon over Johnson.
We even had Defoe coming off the bench.

Anyway I digress.

Unfortunately balance seems to have gone out the window for a lot of people.

Arteta and his concurrent 2nd places is the new marker of success it appears.
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Yeah the actual journey to winning Europa was rubbish and the final was one of the worst games I've ever seen. But I was in tears at the final whistle, which I wasn't when we won the Carling Cup. It felt like the weight of years of ridicule and nearly moments was lifted. It was as much relief as joy tbh.

But yeah to get back to your original point, I think a lot of people just have really short memories or have conditioned themselves to expect success. Plus the nature of a cup win is different to sustained league form - you can kinda fluke a cup win to some extent whereas coming consistently 2nd in the league is the mark of a very solid team even if you have no silverware to show for it.
 
Bloodbath said:
Good points!

Simons is struggling but so is our whole team at the moment, so it is a bit unfair for people to single him out.
We totally lack cohesion and there seems to be so many players down on confidence.

The three forwards ahead of him (Richy, Kudus, Odobert) do not run into space and are not looking for through balls. Personally I'd like to see Johnson playing and I think it would suit Simons as well.
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Yeah the thing is even if the team was at its Peak I think we need to give him a bit of time to settle, we seem to write players off way to quickly these days , I don't think its just us as a club its football as a whole, everyone wants instant success and players are "flops" if they don't start the first 10 games looking like peak Ronaldo. (FWIW I am also guilty of this at times but I'm trying to be more patient)

If the team and Xavi are still looking this poor come Christmas then I think it will be fair to start asking some questions, but ultimately its down to the manager to get the best out of his players and with Frank he is meant to be one of these managers that can get the best out of what he has, so even though we aren't looking pretty at the minute if we can keep on picking up points and things start clicking come Christmas then it might actually turn out to be a decent first season.
 
Beating Ajax and City = 100x the accomplishment and 100x the emotion (CL shits all over the EL it isn’t close) than beating a 16th placed crap United side in a final after getting past Bodo fucking Glimt.
 
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