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Transfers January 2018 transfer thread

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mouse said:
I agree in principle.

But the Poch / Levy relationship is like delicately balanced symbiosis, the introduction of a third species could end up destroying it.

We have played that expermenit out a few times before with mixed results. The appointment would be just as much about personality and the acceptance of being back seat driven by Levy as it would be about ability or experience
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And that's why we've been unable to retain any experienced senior recruiting staff over the last 3 years. No one other than McDermott has any input into the Levy/Pochettino dynamic. And why bother being the minority voice at Spurs when you could be the Director of Football elsewhere? Hence Mitchell and Mackenzie both left.

But it's a problem, because for all of their strengths, neither Levy nor Pochettino have the time or talent to be amazing at scouting new players. We need someone else to do that, as we can't afford to fuck it up, our margin for error is too small.
 
Ginolaflair said:
Enough with the car already... Sigh.:pochfacepalm::avbfacepalm::gio::vdvshh::klinsmann::dempsey::bmj::dembelefingers:
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Oh why because it disproves your theory?

It's the same with footballers. You buy a player you pay for the player.

You have paid money. You have spent money. You do not have the money now because you gave it to another club for the player.

That exchange is called a sale.
The buyer spends money.

It has no bearing on how much you have left

It's genuinely amazing me that people think spending someone else's money and going into the red is a better example of spending than someone spending their own frikkin cash.

Laughable outlook
 
Juicy Sushi said:
And that's why we've been unable to retain any experienced senior recruiting staff over the last 3 years. No one other than McDermott has any input into the Levy/Pochettino dynamic. And why bother being the minority voice at Spurs when you could be the Director of Football elsewhere? Hence Mitchell and Mackenzie both left.

But it's a problem, because for all of their strengths, neither Levy nor Pochettino have the time or talent to be amazing at scouting new players. We need someone else to do that, as we can't afford to fuck it up, our margin for error is too small.
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I just dont think Levy will ever change his obsession with "micro managing" everything or suddenly become easier to work for?

The problem predates Poch and was probably part of the reason we changed back from the DoF model in the first place.
 
mouse said:
I just dont think Levy will ever change his obsession with "micro managing" everything or suddenly become easier to work for?

The problem predates Poch and was probably part of the reason we changed back from the DoF model in the first place.
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He probably won't, no.

Levy's always been searching for a DoF, and a manager though. I think the problem is that finding his perfect candidate for one meant the other was an impossibility. He found his dream manager before his dream DoF, so this is just how it is. I am relatively resigned to this, but not really happy about it.
 
sammyspurs said:
Errrrr you just invested 7k in a car

If we sign Moura and break even have we not invested in the squad?
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If we sign Moura and break even then we must have sold another player to pay for him. So in that case of course there's no investment in the squad you fucking piece of wood.

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Juicy Sushi said:
We might, but they can promise playing time, easy transfers to any big club, and have much laxer work permit requirements.

And that should be a head of recruiting's job, but we don't really have one of those, and I want someone with enough authority to a) Tell Mauricio that he doesn't care what Pochettino thinks of Nkoudou's dribbling, he's still a garbage idea and b) be able to ensure a transition in playing style as players age or things happen so that Mauricio can focus on coaching and tactics, which are his clear forte.
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I don't like the idea of a). I'm a fan of Poch having ultimate authority, much like Fergie, who he seems to model himself on. But I also understand the chances of ''doing a Wenger'' down the line where you are effectively a dictator with no one to answer to. Friction behind the scenes, or some sense of Poch being undermined doesn't sit right with me. I get exactly what you're saying but we have a bad history with it. In fact, I can't think off the top of my head a club in England it thrives with.

Also, Poch is quite young in managerial terms. If we want him to develop those sorts of attributes he should be trusted with it for me.
 
John Thomas said:
If we sign Moura and break even then we must have sold another player to pay for him. So in that case of course there's no investment in the squad you fucking piece of wood.

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We've invested in a quality player.

Liverpool sold Coutinho and bought Van Dyke. Did they not spend 75M on Van Dyke because there was change?

How do you buy something without spending?
Answer that. Tell me, in your view, what is the action of us putting 26M into PSG's account called.

What are we doing with that money? "Swapping accounts"

Who's the moron? You have no idea what you are talking about. Learn English, and go and look up the word Spend in the dictionary:

Ill save you the trouble:
From the Oxford dictioinary
Give (money) to pay for goods, services, or so as to benefit someone or something.

Utter tool, you do not know simple English words, wanking off about Net this and Gross that....irrelevant mate.
Unless Oxford is also wrong in your thick head
 
Spursdem said:
I don't like the idea of a). I'm a fan of Poch having ultimate authority, much like Fergie, who he seems to model himself on. But I also understand the chances of ''doing a Wenger'' down the line where you are effectively a dictator with no one to answer to. Friction behind the scenes, or some sense of Poch being undermined doesn't sit right with me. I get exactly what you're saying but we have a bad history with it. In fact, I can't think of the top of my head a club in England it thrives with.

Also, Poch is quite young in managerial terms. If we want him to develop those sorts of attributes he should be trusted with it for me.
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I disagree with the idea that just trusting him will let him develop those attributes. If he's going to, he'll need some actual guidance and coaching of his own on those aspects.

Case in point: Nkoudou made no sense as a signing. Just liking someone's dribbling does not mean that they will be able to be coached into being able to provide end product as well. We don't have the resources to be able to make those kinds of mistakes regularly and still compete as we want to.

We don't have the luxury of time to have Mauricio learn by failing at transfers. He needs someone there who will tell him when he has a bad idea before those signings get made.
 
sammyspurs said:
We've invested in a quality player.

Liverpool sold Coutinho and bought Van Dyke. Did they not spend 75M on Van Dyke because there was change?

How do you buy something without spending?
Answer that. Tell me, in your view, what is the action of us putting 26M into PSG's account called.

What are we doing with that money? "Swapping accounts"

Who's the moron? You have no idea what you are talking about. Learn English, and go and look up the word Spend in the dictionary:

Ill save you the trouble:
From the Oxford dictioinary
Give (money) to pay for goods, services, or so as to benefit someone or something.

Utter tool, you do not know simple English words, wanking off about Net this and Gross that....irrelevant mate.
Unless Oxford is also wrong in your thick head
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Mad isn’t it? We take the money we earn from TV, CL, ticket sales and so on, and we invest it in the stadium and the squad. Just because we make an operating profit, doesn’t mean we’re not investing (or spending).
 
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Juicy Sushi said:
I disagree with the idea that just trusting him will let him develop those attributes. If he's going to, he'll need some actual guidance and coaching of his own on those aspects.

Case in point: Nkoudou made no sense as a signing. Just liking someone's dribbling does not mean that they will be able to be coached into being able to provide end product as well. We don't have the resources to be able to make those kinds of mistakes regularly and still compete as we want to.

We don't have the luxury of time to have Mauricio learn by failing at transfers. He needs someone there who will tell him when he has a bad idea before those signings get made.
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People that can do that are not Director's of Football though. They are other managers.

You can count on one hand probably great Sporting Directors/DOF's in the World currently. Monchi, Rangnick and Zorc?
 
Spursdem said:
People that can do that are not Director's of Football though. They are other managers.

You can count on one hand probably great Sporting Directors/DOF's in the World currently. Monchi, Rangnick and Zorc?
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Whoever's running the show at Juventus would be another, and likely someone at one of the Portuguese giants, but yes, it's a handful.

My point is just that we are not as sharp as we need to be, and that has been down to a lack of expertise on the part of our decision makers, who haven't really been improving at this either. I don't expect everyone to agree with me about that, but it's just how I feel about the club. This is our weakest area, and it is the fault of people who are in other respects our greatest strengths.
 
sammyspurs said:
Oh why because it disproves your theory?

It's the same with footballers. You buy a player you pay for the player.

You have paid money. You have spent money. You do not have the money now because you gave it to another club for the player.

That exchange is called a sale.
The buyer spends money.

It has no bearing on how much you have left

It's genuinely amazing me that people think spending someone else's money and going into the red is a better example of spending than someone spending their own frikkin cash.

Laughable outlook
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Love how you go full on zombie rage mode.
What theory did I present revolving around this? None.
Am merely bored of the tiresome bickering going on between some posters is all... Just seems to be going round in circles.
You don't need to get all defensive.
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