Ex-Spurs Player Toby Alderweireld

[YorkshireYid]

Not when he’s injured he’s not.

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Same can be said about any player in the world Messi wouldn’t be worth anything if he suffered a leg break for example.

However I can see the concern of giving him a new high playing contract if Poch and the team think this injury is going to effect him in the long term. However if they think this we should just sell him now, and not mess about with it, especially with him being close to 30

 

[r-u-s-x]

Exactly. Before his injury I'd have said Toby was about as important as anyone. But now, seeing Sanchez and how consistent and unaffected by big nights he's been it's evident that Toby isn't quite the integral piece he was.

Much like Rose was thought to be such a key player then Davies stepped up to the mark this season.
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just to play devils advocate people were saying the same with Wimmer and Verts. Toby is a quality player and a leader and we will miss him when he is gone. There is no easy solution, in an ideal world we would give him what he wants as replacing him (finished article) is near on impossible for us but we have restrictions that our rivals do not.

If we were to match Liverpools wages we would have to spend 100% of revenues on wages, we just can't do it.

 

[SchmoodSpur]

We’re making nice memories this season in Europe but if 5th is the end outcome then have we had a good season? Win the FA Cup and no doubt we’ve had a great season.

We’ll only know if our summer business was sufficient in May. If we end up back in the Europa League then no it wasn’t as others improved their squads better than we did.

If Utd beat Chelsea this weekend then I think we’ll get top 4 but it will be tight. Which to bring it back to the topic we’ll need Alderweireld to achieve, the belief we managed well without him is a little overstated. We have won 9/17 league games since his injury v Madrid which will be lower average points than the likely total required to hit top 4. We can’t have a Walker repeat where he’s benched.

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Why would you even be thinking about 5th? You put a negative spin on everything. Have some optimism eh? I mean we're on a 15 game unbeaten run and drew in Turin. Live a little.

Yes, those stats are all well and good, but once again, you must delve deeper. In that period we played Woolwich twice, Liverpool, United and City. In our remaining fixtures we only play Chelsea and City. Of course the average points total will be lower in the period consisting of the tougher games. Simply presenting the stats without context and applying them to the future is not enough.

We coped without Toby in that period and having him back is a bonus. But it's not as key as it once was.

 

[SchmoodSpur]

just to play devils advocate people were saying the same with Wimmer and Verts. Toby is a quality player and a leader and we will miss him when he is gone. There is no easy solution, in an ideal world we would give him what he wants as replacing him (finished article) is near on impossible for us but we have restrictions that our rivals do not.

If we were to match Liverpools wages we would have to spend 100% of revenues on wages, we just can't do it.

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Big Kev didn't put in the kind of performances Sanchez has against that level of competition though. Certainly not in the Champions League.

No-one is saying Toby isn't the dogs bollocks. But that, in Sanchez, we have more than adequate cover.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Why would you even be thinking about 5th? You put a negative spin on everything. Have some optimism eh? I mean we're on a 15 game unbeaten run and drew in Turin. Live a little.

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Because presently it is where we are. No point trying to ignore it. Just like Anfield the game at the Bridge is must not lose, that’s how tight it’ll end up being. Even tighter if they beat Utd as there will be 4 sides for 3 spots

Yes, those stats are all well and good, but once again, you must delve deeper. In that period we played Woolwich twice, Liverpool, United and City. In our remaining fixtures we only play Chelsea and City. Of course the average points total will be lower in the period consisting of the tougher games. Simply presenting the stats without context and applying them to the future is not enough.

I have lived a little. Was chuffed with the Utd game. Ecstatic with the goons game (which was the most dominant 1-0 you’ll ever see) and was damn proud of their fight in Turin.

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that point would be valid if our lower average was due to dropping too many points to those big clubs. 2-1-1 would be about average for most of the top 6 with similar fixtures. The problem was we drew too many in November/December to that dross from 7th to 20th.

We coped without Toby in that period and having him back is a bonus. But it's not as key as it once was.

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we coped ok. Calls earlier today that his departure is fine because Sanchez and Foyth are here is very premature.

Now if he left, which I don’t want, but if he did and we got De Vrij or De Ligt then that’d certainly ease the pain.

The jury is still out on how key his absence or lack of is though. That said they coped better than last season where we capitulated during his absence.

 

[justin]

He said Rose is the best left-back in the league. That's says something. Just a troll.

I don't understand that much of negativity. This is the best we've been for fuck knows how long. Toby was out for 3 months and we finished 1st in CL group stage, get result in Turin, still fighting for top 4 and we're gonna get it without him. He was great for us, but injury prone and we have world class potential in Sanchez. And we're gonna push for title next year. Trust the process.

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Who is a better left back in the pl than rose ?

 

[Gatsby]

I don't know whether I'm missing something, but has it been confirmed we are looking to sell Alderweireld this summer?

Being a World Cup year and the injury he had it just seems like Poch is taking care of him. If he wants £150k a year, surely we could compromise. He's worth at least £125k, but if other clubs are willing to offer £150k then we need to consider our options. No player is bigger than the club, but we also need to keep our best players. This could have an affect on other players.

I won't believe anything until it's offical.

 

[SchmoodSpur]

Who is a better left back in the pl than rose ?

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Ben Davies.

 

[pleb]

We don't know for sure what our players actually earn, so any discussion about wages and whether we can afford it is guesswork. But, let's assume we upped Alderweireld's weekly wage from £50k to £150K. That's an additional £4.8m per annum we'd have to find. Given that we're not like West Ham or Crystal Palace (i.e only one or two 'key' players), what effect is such an increase likely to have on other squad members' wage demands?

Would, for example, the following players push for similar % increases or even wage parity?

Lloris, Rose, Vertonghen, Davies, Dier, Dembele, Dele, Eriksen, Son & Kane (not to mention the impact such an increase might have on the wages of the new 'star' players we all want us to sign in the summer).

If so, that's up to £48m added to our annual wage bill, not including Alderweireld. You might reasonably argue they wouldn't all merit and/or achieve such an increase, but you can nonetheless see that a massive increase in one player's wages could have serious financial repercussions given our squad is full of 'key' players.

Right now, we pay around 50% of our annual revenue (the most recently-published annual report puts our revenue at around £210m, I believe) in wages. This is in line with our main rivals, with the exception of Liverpool (who pay around 60%). We also have a stadium to pay for.

To be clear, I'm not arguing against wage increases, but I do believe they should be in line with what we can afford rather than being based on what other, significantly wealthier clubs can afford. We'll have a much better idea what that might be within the next few weeks when our 16/17 report is published.

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Good post, until we know exactly what our players earn its all just speculative!

 

[SchmoodSpur]

Because presently it is where we are. No point trying to ignore it. Just like Anfield the game at the Bridge is must not lose, that’s how tight it’ll end up being. Even tighter if they beat Utd as there will be 4 sides for 3 spots

that point would be valid if our lower average was due to dropping too many points to those big clubs. 2-1-1 would be about average for most of the top 6 with similar fixtures. The problem was we drew too many in November/December to that dross from 7th to 20th.

we coped ok. Calls earlier today that his departure is fine because Sanchez and Foyth are here is very premature.

Now if he left, which I don’t want, but if he did and we got De Vrij or De Ligt then that’d certainly ease the pain.

The jury is still out on how key his absence or lack of is though. That said they coped better than last season where we capitulated during his absence.

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We drew twice in November and December. We lost to City, Woolwich and Leicester.

We coped ok?

Being unbeaten in 15, unbeaten in 2018, topping a group with Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund, beating Woolwich, United, Real, Dortmund is coping ok?

Take some pleasure in this club will you.

 

[PointToPatrik]

I don't know whether I'm missing something, but has it been confirmed we are looking to sell Alderweireld this summer?

Being a World Cup year and the injury he had it just seems like Poch is taking care of him. If he wants £150k a year, surely we could compromise. He's worth at least £125k, but if other clubs are willing to offer £150k then we need to consider our options. No player is bigger than the club, but we also need to keep our best players. This could have an affect on other players.

I won't believe anything until it's offical.

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It's a rumor but a few twitter pages posted it as fact and here we are

 

[N-Spur]

I don't know whether I'm missing something, but has it been confirmed we are looking to sell Alderweireld this summer?

Being a World Cup year and the injury he had it just seems like Poch is taking care of him. If he wants £150k a year, surely we could compromise. He's worth at least £125k, but if other clubs are willing to offer £150k then we need to consider our options. No player is bigger than the club, but we also need to keep our best players. This could have an affect on other players.

I won't believe anything until it's offical.

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The Times is pretty reliable. They don't just make random stuff up like The Express. It's likely the club has leaked this out to call Alderweireld's bluff. The contract on offer won't be improved and if you're not willing to sign it then there's no future for you here. They also reported we're currently working in new deals for Verts, Kane, Alli, Eriksen and Son. My guess is that once we're in a position where CL qualification looks pretty certain, that we'll see a new round of Poch poses, and it's down to Toby and his people to decide if they want to part of them or not.

 

[The Absolute GOAT]

Nope. Again let he who is without sin be the one to cast the first stone.
I’m not defending any language it’s pretty awful things to say, also has no relevance to the discussion at hand which is Alderweireld. Far too much of that shit goes on here. Posters have their views on the club dismissed with baseless accusations of being gooners. Why? Any proof? Or are they just not part of the happy clapper clique?

So no there won’t be no apology as I have nothing to apologise for. If guido has a problem with a user hit the ignore button.

So how about shut up and start talking about Alderweireld. The other shit is t relevant here.

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Fuck off you ignorant, illiterate racist sympathiser

 

[Art Vandelay]

We drew twice in November and December. We lost to City, Woolwich and Leicester.

We coped ok?

Being unbeaten in 15, unbeaten in 2018, topping a group with Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund, beating Woolwich, United, Real, Dortmund is coping ok?

Take some pleasure in this club will you.

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You don’t listen. I have and do take pleasure. This is precisely what I’m saying about criticism, I’m not even being strongly critical.

Yes they’re great games and great performances and not many will be displeased with the CL campaign where Poch’s tactics were crucial in topping a group with the champions.

You can’t be too praising in how we coped without Alderweireld when we dropped 2 positions. We put him next to Jan or Jan and Sanchez in a back 3 and absolutely no doubt we claw back those two spots and gain top 4 status again.

 

[SchmoodSpur]

You don’t listen. I have and do take pleasure. This is precisely what I’m saying about criticism, I’m not even being strongly critical.

Yes they’re great games and great performances and not many will be displeased with the CL campaign where Poch’s tactics were crucial in topping a group with the champions.

You can’t be too praising in how we coped without Alderweireld when we dropped 2 positions. We put him next to Jan or Jan and Sanchez in a back 3 and absolutely no doubt we claw back those two spots and gain top 4 status again.

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You're being unnecessarily critical. Just like you were when you said we'd be lucky to score in Turin.

You see the negative side of everything Spurs. You're eyeing up 5th. Our transfer windows are never enough. Unbeaten in 15 and progressing top of our CL group is ok.

There's criticism and then there's that.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

Tbf he’s 3x better then the average PL CB, it’s a lot of money obviously but he’s worth he’s one of the top CBs in the world and we would be poorer without him.

The whole point of the new stadium was to compete with the likes of United and City and we never will if we continue to pay mid table PL wages.

I’m not advocating spending 400k a week or anything like that, as like some I don’t think that level of spending can last, but no matter what spending will never go back to how it used to be. And if Levy and ENIC are refusing to spend big in the belief that there is going to be a football bust and we will go back to 100k a week being top top dollar, they will be waiting a long long time. And at the moment time is something we don’t seem to have.

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We are not in the new stadium though, you can't spend money you haven't generated yet.

You also ignore that we are competing currently, despite being massively down on income compared with our direct rivals. And just to be clear, the new stadium revenue will not see us compete financially with Man U and City, they are light years ahead of us now and even with the new stadium's new revenue streams churning away at full tilt we will still be miles off these two clubs. Man U have the highest revenue in World football and City is the most valuable football club in the World, both of these clubs will only get bigger and will pull away from us not us, we will not be getting closer to them. We will be closing the revenue gap on the other clubs though.

We are NOT being held back for fear of football going bust. We pay the 6th highest wages in the PL because we have the 6th highest revenue it really is as simple as that. Our revenues are rising (Doubled our shirt sponsor value, Wembley should see us bag an additional £1m per game than old WHL, Doubled our shirt deal with Nike, probably have a sleeve sponsor soon, Stadium Naming rights partner (maybe this revenue will allow us to service the debt??). "Time we don't seem to have" I don't understand what you mean by this, don't you think we are at the beginning of something, rather than the end of something??

 

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[Art Vandelay]

You're being unnecessarily critical. Just like you were when you said we'd be lucky to score in Turin.

You see the negative side of everything Spurs. You're eyeing up 5th. Our transfer windows are never enough. Unbeaten in 15 and progressing top of our CL group is ok.

There's criticism and then there's that.

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See you’re doing that thing again where you exaggerate to paint views as being more extreme than they are. Topping our group was great. Getting out of the Bernabeu with a result is character and belief building for a young squad, and particularly a young player like Winks who bossed the game. Our league form in the same period is more in the realms of decent, that’s backed by objective measures.

I’m not eyeing 5th at all. Take the blinkers off. We can finish anywhere between 2nd and 5th most likely. I think we will achieve 3rd or 4th with Toby in the back 4, which is positivity both in his ability and how our season pans out. I also think if we play Chelsea or Utd on Wembley in the cup we will beat them.

 

[scott]

But Poch and Levy are supposed to have control over the squad finances! We don't know the financial situation as well as they do, if they don't feel its worth paying Toby 150k a week at this stage then I am sure they have their reasons. Personally I am slightly in the camp of 'pay him what he wants' but I don't know the first thing about running a football club.

My feeling is that the club will break the wage structure when the timing is right (new stadium revenue etc) and for the right player (These points are both important because of that domino effect). They did not see Walker as the right player and they probably don't see the timing being right in the case of Toby. Perhaps they will break the structure for Kane next season and look to tie down Eriksen/Alli/Son to long term improved deals?

We'll just have to wait and see.

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I think we are giving too much weight to the domino effect theory especially when it wont be long until kane's on a much bigger wage than everyone else.
& as you say we don't know the facts so we have to make a lot of assumptions & strange leaps to be sure the domino effect would happen the way some are guessing.
But yeah, we will have to wait & see what happens. Hopefully they compromise & it is something like 130k per wk for toby whilst kane goes on his much higher amount. That's if toby asked for 150k & the clubs offered 110k. More ifs & buts ha.

 

[YorkshireYid]

We are not in the new stadium though, you can't spend money you haven't generated yet.

You also ignore that we are competing currently, despite being massively down on income compared with our direct rivals. And just to be clear, the new stadium revenue will not see us compete financially with Man U and City, they are light years ahead of us now and even with the new stadium's new revenue streams churning away at full tilt we will still be miles off these two clubs. Man U have the highest revenue in World football and City is the most valuable football club in the World, both of these clubs will only get bigger and will pull away from us not us, we will not be getting closer to them. We will be closing the revenue gap on the other clubs though.

We are NOT being held back for fear of football going bust. We pay the 6th highest wages in the PL because we have the 6th highest revenue it really is as simple as that. Our revenues are rising (Doubled our shirt sponsor value, Wembley should see us bag an additional £1m per game than old WHL, Doubled our shirt deal with Nike, probably have a sleeve sponsor soon, Stadium Naming rights partner (maybe this revenue will allow us to service the debt??). "Time we don't seem to have" I don't understand what you mean by this, don't you think we are at the beginning of something, rather than the end of something??

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What I mean by that is think that despite all the progress we have made we are at the point where if we don’t spend whats in line with the competition we will be left behind. The likes of United and City are scared of us and as a result will try and pick us clean of assets, you just have to look at what’s happened to Dortmund to see what can happen to a club that couldn’t compete financially despite domestic success.

And I know the clubs on a upward financial climb. And this is the best us spurs fans have had it in a long time and I’m grateful for this, but I think we might have to possibly dip into the pockets of our Billionaire owner, to get the likes of Toby, Vert, Kane, Ali and Eriksen onto contracts more in line with today’s market now, rather then in 3 years or so when the benefits of the stadium and the new deals we can sign come into full effect.