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Transfers Summer 2019 transfer thread

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Poch has talked about a squad overhaul... Tripper, Dier and Lamela are the blatantly obvious weak links in the team. I find it surprising that ppl here are willing to let Dele be sold but not Dier.

When talking about Dier, Lamela, Rose and Dele there's for me an overlooked factor about. Then again it's just my own personal theory based on how Poch is and how he talks about our players.

When Poch has talked about that infamous match at Chelsea, his focus has more been on us losing our heads than us being over the top and too dirty. Whenever Dele has lost his cool and done something outright nasty, Poch has always refused to critisise him. Just as the two most clear examples.

The dirty - no pun intended - little secret is that Poch in all likelyhood wants at least some of his players to have a nasty streak. He's just too smart to it out loud, especially in England. It wouldn't play well.

Looking on from the outside nearly all our players are "nice guys" and I'm convinced Poch, aside from liking a bit of a nasty player, is the kind of coach who wants balance in the squad in all aspects, also this one.

I'm sure that's part of the reason why Dele has kept being picked when out of form, and Rose has played the vast majority of key matches, given that Dier and Lamela has been so much on the fringes.

I cannot see us selling any of the four unless it means a very, very serious step up in quality in other ways.
 
I find it surprising that ppl here are willing to let Dele be sold but not Dier.

For me it’s like this....I would rather a player who plays to the best of his abilities, even if if those abilities are limited somewhat, than one who plays at 10% of what I know he’s capable of, for two seasons on the spin.

People can kid themselves all they like, but Dele has been shit for too long..

Dele playing shit costs this team more than Dier ever has.

People need to think a bit. When top players play at their best, the team plays better, regardless of a limited CM having an off day.

If Dier plays out of his skin, it matters fuck all if Eriksen, Dele and Kane play like shit, as they have way to often.
 
For me it’s like this....I would rather a player who plays to the best of his abilities, even if if those abilities are limited somewhat, than one who plays at 10% of what I know he’s capable of, for two seasons on the spin.

People can kid themselves all they like, but Dele has been shit for too long..

Dele playing shit costs this team more than Dier ever has.

People need to think a bit. When top players play at their best, the team plays better, regardless of a limited CM having an off day.

If Dier plays out of his skin, it matters fuck all if Eriksen, Dele and Kane play like shit, as they have way to often.
Agree partly. Deles been shit, Eriksen hasn't
 
Willing to bet we don't see a single signing until mid-late July.

By that I assume you mean of note, as we have signed a youngster already have we not?

But if we get to mid-July and have signed no one of note that would be pathetic.

Our club need to decide if it wants to be taken seriously, it really does.

We got away with it last seasom amd nearly pulled off the greatest illusion ever but it cannot be sustained with our model of the last 3 years let alone the last 18 months.
 
For me it’s like this....I would rather a player who plays to the best of his abilities, even if if those abilities are limited somewhat, than one who plays at 10% of what I know he’s capable of, for two seasons on the spin.

People can kid themselves all they like, but Dele has been shit for too long..

Dele playing shit costs this team more than Dier ever has.

People need to think a bit. When top players play at their best, the team plays better, regardless of a limited CM having an off day.

If Dier plays out of his skin, it matters fuck all if Eriksen, Dele and Kane play like shit, as they have way to often.

Extreme.

But your point is sound.

Consider how relatively average Chelsea and even more so Barcelona would have been this season without messrs Messi and Hazard.

The Champions League final was there to be won and our quartet of stars, Son just about apart let the team down.
 
For me it’s like this....I would rather a player who plays to the best of his abilities, even if if those abilities are limited somewhat, than one who plays at 10% of what I know he’s capable of, for two seasons on the spin.

People can kid themselves all they like, but Dele has been shit for too long..

Dele playing shit costs this team more than Dier ever has.

People need to think a bit. When top players play at their best, the team plays better, regardless of a limited CM having an off day.

If Dier plays out of his skin, it matters fuck all if Eriksen, Dele and Kane play like shit, as they have way to often.

People are adamant they want a defensive mid this window, it was only a couple of seasons ago that those same people were raving about Dier being the best in the league there. If he remains fit this season I think he’ll be perfect at the base of a more mobile midfield
 
Are we going to be up against United and City in a bidding war over Ndembele? And he hasn't ruled out staying at Lyon as of this a.m.. I still think we could nick Perez from Newcastle for a reasonable price. Attacking Midfielder who can score. Could replace Eriksen if he does go.
We've slapped a £25m fee on Perez. Dunno if he's good enough for you, mind. He scores important goals and has one of, if not the top goal scorers pretty much since he joined. He works damned hard and is often one of the best in terms of defensive actions by a striker in the PL. That said, his vision isn't great, his ability on the ball is ok, but not superb and he's inconsistent.

Benitez goes, so will Perez though.
 
Extreme.

But your point is sound.

Consider how relatively average Chelsea and even more so Barcelona would have been this season without messrs Messi and Hazard.

The Champions League final was there to be won and our quartet of stars, Son just about apart let the team down.

That's why I think Eriksen is getting a bit carried away with this Real Madrid stuff. Of course he's perfectly entitled to look for a new challenge and step up to a bigger club, but he was on the pitch for all those semis and finals that we've lost in the last 5 years. He was a ghost in the biggest game of his life and the history of our club. Are Real really going to get into a tussle with Levy if it means paying £80m+?

The guy they just signed dragged his team to 3rd place and a trophy on his own. In one typically chaotic Chelsea season Hazard achieved more than Eriksen ever has at the top level. When Real came for Bale and Modric they were so clearly on a world class level that the rest of our team could not reach, if we are being honest I don't think Eriksen is in a different bracket to Son, Kane, Dele and Lloris. Very good but not elite. Elite players can't disappear in a CL final the way he did. I'm sure Real are interested in signing him for £40-50m but they are not going to go to war for him.
 
Lo Celso definitely isn't a playmaker though from what I can tell early on. Got the physique and control of a more Hazard type player. I really like him but he's absolutely not a player in the Eriksen mould, I can't see him dictating games like Christian does.

Lovely, tidy and balanced footballer but I see him more off a dribbler than a passer/ creator for others. More dynamic but hasn't less quality/ vision of that around him. Definitely got the quality I'd like to see us invest in but if he's Eriksens replacement I fully expect a different type of football next year. He's a funny one, reminds me of the kind of player Wenger went through a spell buying. One that has neat control, a quick bit of movement but more direct than one who ticks things over. We'd definitely need more than just him.


Maybe we don’t need a direct Eriksen replacement.

Most teams just park the bus against us anyways. We need more players who can beat their man and create chances on their own.
 
Imho long term he's a very good ball playing centre half and future captain.anyone looking for him to be sold needs help... a victim of his own versatility much like gary mabbut

When healthy Dier is a good DM in a 4-3-3. Hes good at reading the game and allowing our FBs to get up into the attack.

Attacking we look like a 3-4-3 and defending we’re a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3–1
 
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Lo Celso definitely isn't a playmaker though from what I can tell early on. Got the physique and control of a more Hazard type player. I really like him but he's absolutely not a player in the Eriksen mould, I can't see him dictating games like Christian does.

Lovely, tidy and balanced footballer but I see him more off a dribbler than a passer/ creator for others. More dynamic but hasn't less quality/ vision of that around him. Definitely got the quality I'd like to see us invest in but if he's Eriksens replacement I fully expect a different type of football next year. He's a funny one, reminds me of the kind of player Wenger went through a spell buying. One that has neat control, a quick bit of movement but more direct than one who ticks things over. We'd definitely need more than just him.

But who said that we need exactly like-for-like replacement for Eriksen ?

For example when we would buy Lo Celso, we could very well switch to 4-3-3 with say Lo Celso-Sissoko-Winks with our front line being either Son-Kane-Alli or Son-Kane-Moura for example. In this lineup Lo Celso would dribble and play forward passes but do this from deeper position in midfield. Or even if we'd had player with better passing range then Sissoko there, we could even continue our 4-2-3-1 with line behind Kane being Son-Alli-Moura and Lo Celso being paired up with either Sissoko or if he would be to return to better form - Dier.
 
Not sure Dier improves United at all.

Especially not their starting eleven. He's probably better than Phil Jones as a centre half so a nice place on their bench but he isn't better than Bailly and he isn't better than Lindelof.
 
I'm still worried we haven't shifted the so-called dead wood - Jansen nkodou etc.
I also have a rather unpopular view that if we get a decent bid eg 30odd mill - we should cash in on sissoko.
It's taken him 3 years to put in some decent performances - if we can get our money back let's take it. He's not going to get any better skill wise or physically - in fact he had quite a few injuries. He's also on big cash and will probably be after a new contract soon (cynically I wonder if that's coincided with his upturn).
*Puts on flak jacket*

How very dare you!!
 
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