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Transfers Summer 2019 transfer thread

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stevee said:
Just a point on new owners who are going to "invest" heavily in the team.

I certainly don't want an Abramovich type character (regardless of how he made his wealth) who loans the club £££££££££££££££££s which has to be paid back plus interest. If Abramovich was to call in his debt they would be fucked.
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No I agree with you completely, in a perfect world I wouldn't have owners like that, full stop.

But the reality of modern football will require us to significantly up our spending to compete with the teams above us and we have to find a way to do that, even if we dislike it.

Although, like you say, not someone like Abramovich.
 
Airfixx said:
If Rose being sold is to reflect on Ben, it suggests that Poch thinks Ben still has a future here and that Rose's injuries have taken their toll.



He's perfectly good enough.. Esp. as a #2.

"Is Sessengon good enough?" should be the question; as per last season the jury is very much still out.. Esp. if he is to slot straight in as a starter.
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I think he will prove to be good enough and we'll pick up a bargain. I'm glad he had an indifferent season at relegated club. That makes the way clear for us to sign him up.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
But Fulham and West Ham don't have world class infrastructures, they aren't in the same position as us, them spending £200m probably wouldn't even net them a top 4 place because of the quality above them.

It's about consistently competing for top talent in the market and having the infrastructure and teams around that talent to nurture it.

Either way, without the money for the top talent you can only go so far, as we have seen with our current team and setup, we have hit a glass ceiling.
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Hang on .... ENIC / Levy the entire clubs are all useless for not spending money on players .... yet we now have a world class infrastructure, we went further than ever before in Europe (glass ceiling?) and once again competed with the cream of the EPL.

So are you suggesting we should sell NWHL to some developer find a running track to rent out and spend 200m on players ... is that your plan for competing with Real Madrid ... how's that working out for the Spam?

The club have spent the last 15 years (and by the club I do mean ENIC and Levy) putting us in a position where we can compete with the best in Europe ... they've had to spend a billion pounds on world class infrastructure to get us ready to challenge ... almost miraculously at the same time, even only spending a tiny fraction on transfers compared to our rivals, we've managed to not only survive in the EPL but improve.

You find that worthy of post after post telling us that all Spurs fans are pissed off and fed up ... well guess what I'm not and nor are any of the Spurs fans I see regularly ... sure we want to spend 200m on players but to a man/woman we recognise what a fantastic job the club have done taking us to levels never before achieved in our history ... not even a dribble of pissed off anywhere to be seen.

Nobody (well a few) is saying you're a gooner, a dipper, a spammer but maybe for your own peace of mind you should swap to supporting a club where money is no issue City, PSG, RM... because let's face reality Spurs aren't changing the way we've operated for well over 100 years, doesn't matter how many times you post wishing that we would, we won't ... suck it up or move on
 
Park Lane Mark Twain said:
Where are people seeing me say not to bring anyone in? I've constantly said I want signings but I'm also saying o don't see our current situation as being a desperate thing.

The right signings or no signings for me. I would like maybe 4 new faces in the squad but I'd be gutted to see the club spend silly boy money on players who turn out to he a bit shoddy. The right deal or no deal at all for me pal, it hasn't done us too bad to date that policy.

Lo Celso is probably a £50m player. £60m would be more than fair. The same applies for Ndombele, maybe an extra £5m on top of that. That's £125m let's say yet the clubs we are negotiating with apparently want a rumoured £140m-£150m, that's a solid £40m-£50m over player value for both combined. It simply isn't practical for a club of our size to spend so loosely when we have debts to pay.

West Ham had a £29m bid accepted for Maxi Gomez, a player who was being quoted in the press as being £43m a few weeks ago, let's just see how the transfer business pans out over the summer before we all go a little mental over it, it's still early days.
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I'm not going mental mate I will remain skeptical until anyone comes in or if so we wait and see.
 
Airfixx said:
Eureka.... So GOAT GOAT was right all along?
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I never disagreed that it was a pointless discussion, I have said all along that I am making assumptions about what will happen based on our previous behaviour and that I hope I am wrong, I was simply sharing my opinion about what I believe must happen in this window.

It seems like you want to argue just for the sake of arguing because you disagree with my opinion about what I think might happen in this transfer window.

Also, it's probably not the best look to goto bat for someone who called me a gooner troll for having a different opinion and told me to kill myself mate.
 
Bill Madrid said:
Fair enough, although no one else is making this argument, although they are constantly accused of doing so, hence my comment.
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Huh? ......I wasn't responding to anyone else.

(However, you're being awfully 'forgiving' if you think that when you whittle some comments down they amount to little more than "outspend our rivals" over the longer term.)

As for "Get business done early and make sure our manager has his first choice targets", surely you can't have any gripe with that?
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Of course, in an ideal world I'm all for that.


Borderline "strawman"-ing on your part here, Bill. Easy now.. ;)
 
Airfixx said:
Huh? ......I wasn't responding to anyone else.

(However, you're being awfully 'forgiving' if you think that when you whittle some comments down they amount to little more than "outspend our rivals" over the longer term.)



Of course, in an ideal world I'm all for that.


Borderline "strawman"-ing on your part here, Bill. Easy now.. ;)
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How's the ticker mate ? haven't noticed you around much , hope all is well
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
No I agree with you completely, in a perfect world I wouldn't have owners like that, full stop.

But the reality of modern football will require us to significantly up our spending to compete with the teams above us and we have to find a way to do that, even if we dislike it.

Although, like you say, not someone like Abramovich.
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Your point is valid in that we have to spend BIG to realistically challenge year in and year out.

However no business man/owner is going to put their own money into any club without the possibility of getting a return on that business. FFP has effectively closed down the way Abramovich etc have operated in the past. City have tried to circumvent the rules and have been found out and are now facing sanctions, admittedly they will be minimal and have no affect on the club.

I believe that Levy/Enic have the best interests of the club, as a business at heart. They have never taken any profits out and I think that if a buyer were to make an offer then they will not only look at the financial side of things but also what's best for the future of the club.

Basically we all would like the owner, whoever that is, to spend a Gazillion (exaggarating) pounds on the team but the reality is that is never going to happen, unless it is a loan plus interest basis. Plus FFP makes that impossible.
 
skywalker68 said:
I'm not going mental mate I will remain skeptical until anyone comes in or if so we wait and see.
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The mental line wasn't directed at you pal or anyone in particular, just a comment made on general observation.

In summary yes we need players but only the right ones and if players like Eriksen & Ndombele need a holiday before making any decisions and others like Sessegnon and Lo Celso are away with their countries taking part in bug international tournaments, we probably have to bide our time.

People use Real Madrid's goings on to say you can still wrap deals up when players are away with their countries granted but we ain't Real Madrid and whilst we all have ambitions to get to that level we simply ain't at the moment, it needs to develop over to time.

I'm optimistic but I also know that by holding out for our number one targets we may lose our second or third choice boys, it's a pig but I'd rather we take a risk if that's the case.

As you said mate, let's see how the summer pans out.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
Maybe I can't see the flaw because everytime I have asked you to point it out you have ignored my request in favour of sarcastic retorts.

I don't have a "plan" me saying that in order for us to remain competitive we have to spend money like City and Pool doesn't mean I think we can or will under ENIC, that's the mistake you are making, I am simply saying that's what's required for us to move to the next level and our manager thinks the same.

I said your tedious because in every post you quote of mine you say the same out of context thing but you never ever answer my questions and instead decide to just be sarcastic, I don't think your tedious in general, I actually agree with the majority of what you say, I am just tired of you bringing out the same bullshit "Yes we get it mate, you want us to spend like City and think Levy should just spend money even if we don't have it" which I have never said, I have simply said, IF we want to win the league or the CL on a regular basis, or at all, then we will have to change the way we operate and spend like the clubs above us do and if Levy and ENIC can't or won't do it then we will remain where we are unless we get new owners who do.

You have yet to explain to me what you think the alternative is?
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I've explained the alternative plenty of times, you just don't like the reality of our situation and choose to rehash the same whinge over and over again instead....

If we can't afford X we won't spend X and we(*) push on regardless....

(*Well except the likes of you and Atomic knob Atomic knob .... As you've both conceeded, ya'll will probably sack the club off if you don't gte your pony.)
 
Park Lane Mark Twain said:
The mental line wasn't directed at you pal or anyone in particular, just a comment made on general observation.

In summary yes we need players but only the right ones and if players like Eriksen & Ndombele need a holiday before making any decisions and others like Sessegnon and Lo Celso are away with their countries taking part in bug international tournaments, we probably have to bide our time.

People use Real Madrid's goings on to say you can still wrap deals up when players are away with their countries granted but we ain't Real Madrid and whilst we all have ambitions to get to that level we simply ain't at the moment, it needs to develop over to time.

I'm optimistic but I also know that by holding out for our number one targets we may lose our second or third choice boys, it's a pig but I'd rather we take a risk if that's the case.

As you said mate, let's see how the summer pans out.
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Spider racing ?
 
Park Lane Mark Twain said:
The mental line wasn't directed at you pal or anyone in particular, just a comment made on general observation.

In summary yes we need players but only the right ones and if players like Eriksen & Ndombele need a holiday before making any decisions and others like Sessegnon and Lo Celso are away with their countries taking part in bug international tournaments, we probably have to bide our time.

People use Real Madrid's goings on to say you can still wrap deals up when players are away with their countries granted but we ain't Real Madrid and whilst we all have ambitions to get to that level we simply ain't at the moment, it needs to develop over to time.

I'm optimistic but I also know that by holding out for our number one targets we may lose our second or third choice boys, it's a pig but I'd rather we take a risk if that's the case.

As you said mate, let's see how the summer pans out.
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Yes I avoided the links to Madrid despite their shit season how we can be compared to probably the world's biggest club where players dream of going to and us is ridiculous.
 
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