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Transfers Summer 2019 transfer thread
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What the suffering fuck???
That's what I mean.
:townhmm:
... Now?
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Spurs are trying to poach the man who helped bring Tanguy Ndombele to Lyon.cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com
Also makes the point that Pogba and Eriksen are not available ( implication is that the price of both is the issue and Ceballos could be a decent player if coached by Zidane do they will stick with Ceballos - also noting the Zidane,/Ceballos irelationship is not good due to Zidane not previously appreciating Ceballos as a player).
Or in short Madrid are running out of cash to buy more players so need to stick with some of those they have.
Wonder if Madrid have told Eriksen they can't afford him.
It strikes me that all the talk concerning our potential transfer signings seem to be concentrated on three possibly four names. I sincerely hope that we have other 'irons in the fire' in case the Lo Celso/Ceballos and Sessegnon ones go belly up. Hopefully Levy is allowing the media and other football clubs to be totally distracted by the rumours about these players and he is secretly planning a swoop on someone not even mentioned yet. (Let me dream...let me dream.....we discover the next Messi playing currently for Gillingham and snap him up for £4m) 
I think Lo Celso will happen and Caballos will remain at Real, just a case of reaching an agreeable fee now for Sessegnon, rumour is they want £40m and we are offering £25m....surely something around £30m plus bonuses would seal the deal ??
Have to say that I would assume under present circumstances Mr Eriksen would be an automatic consideration for inclusion in any transfer negotiations with other clubs. I would also therefore assume that with no developments either the clubs we are talking to are not interested in him or vice versa....the only other conclusion would be that our valuation of him in such 'swap' talks is considered too high and renders him non-negotiable.
I think Lo Celso will happen and Caballos will remain at Real, just a case of reaching an agreeable fee now for Sessegnon, rumour is they want £40m and we are offering £25m....surely something around £30m plus bonuses would seal the deal ??
Have to say that I would assume under present circumstances Mr Eriksen would be an automatic consideration for inclusion in any transfer negotiations with other clubs. I would also therefore assume that with no developments either the clubs we are talking to are not interested in him or vice versa....the only other conclusion would be that our valuation of him in such 'swap' talks is considered too high and renders him non-negotiable.
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...this is awkward but it appears you've forgotten to include Trippier, expressly, in this list.
Here's my problem with this, and thankfully you've prepped the switch for your own back here when you said this:
Now, you understand how we intend to play but more importantly you know how we had to play this year...you understand what personnel issues we've had this season, and you know that stats are like a bikini. So my question is this: Why would you post, and keep posting, this apologia for Tripps. He is not good enough, never has been, and just like Walker he has brain farts that cost us.
Why does Trips average more passes/game than our MF? Because we literally bypassed the MF all season as per the Mgr. So what value is there in a comparison relative to our current MF? It's like saying Toby has more headed goals from CKs than Rose. Yeah, no shit, since Rose is in the center circle and Toby's in the box. It's a stat, it's a number, but it has no inferential value and a 'shiniest turd' comparison does not illustrate the unassailable individual quality of a player.
Tripps creates more chances etc etc - A) we have some cloggers, B) Our football was so mind-numbingly 1 dimensional last season (a point of which you are aware) it was the only friggin thing we did with the ball besides hoofing it. And it was worse when Harry dropped back because he was only going out to Tripps because that's the only way he could guarantee it would come back. Tripps get's the ball more often in the attacking third in our awful attack so it stands to reason he would 'create' more chances. And to be clear they were mostly fucking crosses FFS not perfectly weighted through balls. Is that what we want, more crossing? Hell yeah, more crossing, 442, and Brexit bitches!!!!!!!!! So you know, Lloris makes more saves than anyone on the team. Facts!
Tripps averaging most tackles: No shit? BC, I know you are probably only to the Wolves' game in your viewing schedule but as a word of warning teams will be targeting Tripps for the next 19 (or so) games as they did the previous 19 or so you've already watched and he's played. If this stat had any inferential value we could decipher whether or not his massive tackling year was a function of being targeted or being a good player. I fall on the side of having been targeted and thus having the most opportunities to tackle.
Tripps interceptions: see above
It is in the best interest for all that Tripps moves on.
Suck it BC!!!!
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So we're not too far apart then?
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39 million nine hundred and ninety nine thousand nine hundred and 75 pounds I would say.
It strikes me that all the talk concerning our potential transfer signings seem to be concentrated on three possibly four names. I sincerely hope that we have other 'irons in the fire' in case the Lo Celso/Ceballos and Sessegnon ones go belly up. Hopefully Levy is allowing the media and other football clubs to be totally distracted by the rumours about these players and he is secretly planning a swoop on someone not even menti
oned yet. (Let me dream...let me dream.....we discover the next Messi playing currently for Gillingham and snap him up for £4m)
I think Lo Celso will happen and Caballos will remain at Real, just a case of reaching an agreeable fee now for Sessegnon, rumour is they want £40m and we are offering £25....surely something around £30m plus bonuses would seal the deal ??
Have to say that I would assume under present circumstances Mr Eriksen would be an automatic consideration for inclusion in any transfer negotiations with other clubs. I would also therefore assume that with no developments either the clubs we are talking to are not interested in him or vice versa....the only other conclusion would be that our valuation of him in such 'swap' talks is considered too high and renders him non-negotiable.
Regarding Eriksen he's always said he only wanted to go to Spanish duo ( he said that whilst still at Ajax), so if he meant that, well he won't be the first young man to find a youngsters dream doesn't turn into reality.
But if he wants to move there aren't many clubs who need good midfielders who could afford him both transfer fee wise and wages, but another could be PSG who are short of midfielders However they are dominant in the French league so it's not the most interesting club to go to - and not his dream. ,
In terms of other incomings Lo Celso seems to be coming to a conclusion after the Fekir to Betis news , hopefully to be announced in the next week or so ( although with Lo Celso still on the mandatory 3 week break after Copa America there be little urgency,) but if Eriksen are to stay there would be no need for further AMs ( we would have 6 already,) but if Eriksen left there is already the rumours for Dani Olmi and I am sure there are several other decent AM/CMs available
After that I imagine it depends on whether Eriksen stays or goes as to who else's comes in as with Ndombele and Lo Celso we will have spent £ 130m, Sessegno n £30m, CB £30m so we might need some sales to spend more and ideally recoup some that we have spent perhaps
I know Levy's known for his low-balling. But £25
I'm all in for Dani Alves. Let Trips go, by his own admission he's a had an awful year and Alves playing every two weeks with Aurier and Foyth able to play there too sounds good to me.
with no one leaving, I think just Lo Celso and Alves is perfect. Getting Saliba and loaning him back with Toby's seeing out the year would be ideal.
Being Greedy a back up striker like Mario Mandzukic would be amazing but in reality, Son/Lucas and Alli can all play up top.
I think Lo Celoso is needed, Eriksen and Alli we're a bit stale and while Lamela had a nice little run in Oct/Nov he's not reliable .
TL/DR
Alves in on a free
Lo Celso-55/60M
Keep Eriksen, Keep Toby
Sell Tripps
Greedy Signing - mario mandzukic
with no one leaving, I think just Lo Celso and Alves is perfect. Getting Saliba and loaning him back with Toby's seeing out the year would be ideal.
Being Greedy a back up striker like Mario Mandzukic would be amazing but in reality, Son/Lucas and Alli can all play up top.
I think Lo Celoso is needed, Eriksen and Alli we're a bit stale and while Lamela had a nice little run in Oct/Nov he's not reliable .
TL/DR
Alves in on a free
Lo Celso-55/60M
Keep Eriksen, Keep Toby
Sell Tripps
Greedy Signing - mario mandzukic
It's been a long day....well spotted though.....post duly amended
If he was deffo still the best Juventus would have definitely kept him, but I understand, reputations take forever to die.
Well he just dominated Copa America soooooo......
That doesn’t affect me. I never judge players from performances in recent international tournaments.
Learnt that lesson from way back with players like Acimovic and Zokora.
I just don’t like old players, particularly in positions which require lots of stamina/athleticism.
...this is awkward but it appears you've forgotten to include Trippier, expressly, in this list.
Here's my problem with this, and thankfully you've prepped the switch for your own back here when you said this:
Now, you understand how we intend to play but more importantly you know how we had to play this year...you understand what personnel issues we've had this season, and you know that stats are like a bikini. So my question is this: Why would you post, and keep posting, this apologia for Tripps. He is not good enough, never has been, and just like Walker he has brain farts that cost us.
Why does Trips average more passes/game than our MF? Because we literally bypassed the MF all season as per the Mgr. So what value is there in a comparison relative to our current MF? It's like saying Toby has more headed goals from CKs than Rose. Yeah, no shit since Rose is in the center circle and Toby's in the box. It's a stat, it's a number, but it has no inferential value and a 'shiniest turd' comparison does not illustrate the unassailable individual quality of a player.
Tripps creates more chances etc etc - A) we have some cloggers, B) Our football was so mind-numbingly 1 dimensional last season (a point of which you are aware) it was the only friggin thing we did with the ball besides hoofing it. And it was worse when Harry dropped back because he was only going out to Tripps because that's the only way he could guarantee it would come back. Tripps get's the ball more often in the attacking third in our awful attack so it stands to reason he would 'create' more chances. And to be clear they were mostly fucking crosses FFS not perfectly weighted through balls. Is that what we want, more crossing? Hell yeah, more crossing, 442, and Brexit bitches!!!!!!!!! So you know, Lloris makes more saves than anyone on the team. Facts!
Tripps averaging most tackles: No shit! BC, I know you are probably only to the Wolves' game in your viewing schedule but as a word of warning teams will be targeting Tripps for the next 19 (or so) games as they did the previous 19 or so you've already watched and he's played. If this stat had any inferential value we could decipher whether or not his massive tackling year was a function of being targeted or being a good player. I fall on the side of having been targeted and thus having the most opportunities to tackle.
Tripps interceptions: see above
It is in the best interest for all that Tripps moves on.
Suck it BC!!!!
The full back zone will always be the weakest link - and be "targeted" (and you can listen to opponent players - like Pogba - say exactly this) in a system like ours, that pushes them right up, plays a high line and the last two seasons have exasperated this with midfielders that can't play out and forwards that cough up the ball cheaply and don't press cohesively.
Trippier is no more targeted than Rose, (or Walker is at City - as we saw gain this season in CL and league where at one point he was benched) and I've posted very detailed data that supports this and showed that over the course of 17/18 more key passes and shots were made and taken from our left.
I've not denied that Trippier has flaws, and repeated that in the post you quoted, but they are invariably exaggerated, sometimes invented, and in many cases no worse than the flaws of his piers (or no worse in terms of making him less viable as a total package - even ifs those flaws are different to his piers). And as I said, some of the criticism levelled at him, is just poor understanding of his/our tactical application and general failings that he gets blamed for.
I used the passing stats/midfield comparison to highlight that that is effectively what he has had to be this season, a midfielder. Trippier has always had a very high chance creation metric, and that's definitely not just about his crossing, he plays more incisive passes than most of our CM's over the last three years (apart from when Eriksen is considered a CM).
But he's never going to dribble past anyone, he's lacking a bit of physicality and 5 yard burst of pace, but he’s not Corluka either.
If we can upgrade him I’m fine with it. I’m disappointed we didn’t give KWP more game time over the last three years, and I wouldn’t have minded seeing Aurier get a run of games last season to see if he could iron out some of his “quirks” with a run of games (we both know that that’s reasonably unlikely though, rashness was always his Achilles heel from his Toulouse days).
All I said was I can understand why decent teams would be interested, especially if they aren’t going to hang their fb’s out to dry tactically, and give them an intellectual pigmy as midfield chaperone.
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