If you follow a team because of trophies then you are following the wrong club! You have the pick of a handful if that is why you follow football and even better when one of them goes off the boil you can always flip over to another. I don't follow Spurs or football because of trophies, I barely give them a 2nd thought to be honest, only when we play in a competition do I entertain a thought but really that would also not be serious until the quarter-finals and beyond.
"haven't won a trophy for 12yrs" I fucking hate this line, we were fucking SHIT 12yrs ago, absolutely SHIT. Not got to the magical 40point mark until a few games before the end of the season. Football is totally and utterly dominated by teams better than us, who earn more money than us, it's all been said a thousand times before in here, but us Wimbledon & Wigan are the only clubs to have won the FA Cup in 33 YEARS who are not the traditional big four!! Just that fucking stat alone will tell you all you need to know that for us (any club) to win the FA Cup you have to be in the top four! Guess what, we are now in that company that is now us! The only time we used to win an FA Cup was when football wasn't dominated as much by a top-four as it is now. It's not the 1960's/70's/80's anymore mate, football is a boring predictable beast, EVERY stat proves that to be so.
You drew the lines mate, go read you own fucking post again:
I get that some of our fanbase like to touch themselves to pictures of Levy whilst thinking about profit margins but that's not the reason I watch a competitive sport tbh, I watch it so the club that I love, that has survived through numerous owners, can actually show ambition to win trophies, which is the entire point of sports in the first place, isn't it? Or is it just "Glory hunters" that think about trophies?
This is the most sustained period of performance we have ever had in the 45yrs I've been supporting this club!! I am fucking loving finishing in the top three in the league, getting to finals and semi-finals year after year!!! My feet haven't touched the floor, I'm floating on air, I've never been more proud.
You on the other hand just can't take it, you absolutely hate it, you dream of turning back time to 1991 when we finished 10th and 2008 when we finished 11th!!! WE WERE FUCKING SHIT. What the fuck has losing the CL final got to do with Levy? What the fuck has losing 2 FA Cup semi-finals got to do with Levy? What the fuck has losing a League cup semi-final and Final got to do with Levy? Does he pick the team, choose the tactics, ask the players to run around a bit???
You seem to think we were financially similar close to the 5 clubs above us but the reality was we were closer to Chrystal Palace financially than we were Woolwich in (5th)!! Since enjoying a bigger stadium (Wembley) we caught up with them financially, our next set of accounts might show us actually ahead of them!!! If you can't see what having our own +60k Stadium does to our bottom line then don't waste my time with this conversation and get yourself a calculator and learn how to use it.
I am so tired of this argument, honestly it's so disingenuous and stinks of corporate bootlicking.
Look, telling someone to go and support another team because they want their team (who hasn't won a trophy in nearly 12 years whilst all the clubs around them have) is not only a weak argument, it's an insulting one.
You don't have to support a team pumping ludicrous amounts of money into their club in order to see your team win trophies, it's a matter of the owners making the right purchases at the right time and having a well invested network in order to secure the top talent that will win you trophies, if our owners aren't prepared to do that then they simply aren't good owners of a sporting business, irrespective of how much money they make because being successful in sport is about winning silverware.
Also, saying that competitive sport isn't about winning trophies is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard, the whole reason competitive sports exists is to win, to finish top of the pile, that's it, if there was no first place and no trophy to be won then why would sport even exist? Do you think sport would even be what it is right now without the possibility of being the best team? Or are you a "runners up deserve medals" type of guy?
I think the fact that you don't follow sports in general to see your team win trophies says more about your personal ambition, mentality and being happy with mediocrity than it does about the game itself, saying that I am "following the wrong club if you want to win trophies" sums up the mentality of some spurs fans, it's a weak "you've never had it so good" mentality and they view this club as some sort of plucky underdog that would be lucky to have success, it's disrespectful towards a club with such a rich history.
Thankfully, supporters younger than us have a different mentality and want this club to win things so they will eventually speak louder than the complacent and dull "never had it so good" lot that currently occupy sections of our fanbase., it's miserable seeing so many of our supporters settling for second best or third best or fourth best and never wanting the club to push for more just because we were shit for a period of time throughout the history of the club and they are afraid to go back to it again.
We aren't Woolwich or West Ham, we used to take the piss out of Woolwich for celebrating 4th place didn't we? Even those cunts have won a trophy in the last 12 years!
I don't want to follow another club just so I can see them win trophies, first and foremost I support spurs because I have done since I was little, I love the club, through bad and good times but under all of that love is a desire to see this club have success and by success I mean, winning trophies on a consistent basis, I don't want to just see any team win trophies, I want to see spurs win trophies, end of.
I don't expect a trophy every season or even every other season but it's been over a decade since we had silverware, that's simply unacceptable for owners who claim to have ambition and for a club of our size and history.
I am not doubting what the stadium does for our finances, far from it, I am asking, when will we start seeing the benefits of that extra finance in regards to the footballing side of the business? When will that extra finance turn into success on the pitch in the form of trophies and not just success in the form of making more money and expanding the brand so our investment company can make more profit?
You say we were shit 12 years ago, I agree, I don't want us to go back to that period either but 12 years ago we had silverware, so the issue is either the current management that needs replacing or the owners who don't know how to run the club in order to bring it success where it matters.
Now, it remains to be seen what growing our brand will do to the club and if ENIC and Levy have a longer term plan for success on the pitch but we could be sitting here for the next 30 years without a trophy while the "brand" grows.
The reality is, there will always be another club around the corner who will throw money at the problem and outpace a club who is looking over the "longer term" that's why this business model ultimately fails in competitive sports imo.