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1. Not enough spent on recruiting players for a top PL club.
Yet we have been a top 4 PL club for the last five years.
Only an demented idiot claims that was because of a miracle and the squad was really a mid table one.
This isn’t the fucking Vatican.


2. We had a whole 2018/19 season without a single signing. Same season Dembele was sold and not replaced.
And we came 4th and got the CL final with our back up covering a major injury crisis.
Proving the back up was good enough
Shame the manager isn’t.


We had a poor 2019/20 TW. An injured player Sess was purchased. LoCelso brought in on loan last minute not giving enough time to integrate into the squad.
Yet Poch has said players need 1-2 YEARS to make a difference.
So a pre season wouldn’t have helped because our moronic manager won’t play them anyway....like he doesn’t play Moura and Sanchez but you all fucking lap it up like members of a sect.



4. We are short of quality players in the squad:
The full backs: Sess if suppose to be injured. Tripps first choice cashed but not replaced
We had three RBs. We now have two.
How many RBs do you want? Maybe Poch should play the RBs we have and not play CBs and CMs at RB.
There’s a thought.


5. We only have one striker in the team, no Kane backup. Son and Maura are not strikers. Llorente was released but not replaced.
Poch threw 37M of back up strikers in the bin and NONE of you EVER wanted Kane dropped or subbed. So stop whining on about back up strikers you don’t want to play anyway.



6. The centre backs in Toby and Vert ageing plus uncertain future re contract situation
Well maybe the manager should have integrated the 44M then record club signing CB a bit better over the last two years shouldn’t he.
 
I am arguing against your defending of ENIC because the positions you defend them on are weak and shows you have a blind spot, you aren't looking at the evidence which tells me you're blindly defending them on the basis of them being better than our previous owners.

Ok, so you think John Henry, the current Liverpool owner, is the only person who could do a better job than ENIC? Do you have any more names you want to throw in the hat?

This is why naming owners is a pointless exercise, I was simply saying I want owners who prioritise success on the pitch.
The positions I defend them on are factual.

Have we progress under ENIC? Yes.
Have we upped our spending since the stadium was built? Yes.
Do we play better football now than pre-ENIC? Yes.
Do I have a stronger bond with the players and the manager? Yes.

Don't try spin my own question back on me. I asked you, the great critique, who seems to know exactly what a good owner is, yet couldn't even name John Henry as a good option to own the club. I said nothing about only. What was that about being disingenuous?

I've already answered my own question once for you. I'm not breastfeeding you further.
 
For a club the size of Tottenham Hotspur, that is a fucking disgrace.
Especially considering
A)The money sloshing around the game in that period

B )Our inability to lift a single trophy in that period

Our net spend since Poch joined is 6M less than Liverpool’s

Imagine if Levy had worked pro bono that year and we spend that 6M on half a Shaqiri we’d probably be European Champions right now.




:pochfacepalm:
 
So who's the so called back up you refer to.
And fuck off with fall back. If I see a debate worth of joining I'll fucking join it
Calm down, petal. They know who they are.

We've had the debate a million times and neither one of us has anything new to say to each other on the subject.

Got no interest in you wading in declaring anyone who agrees with you a genius and anyone opposing you is losing.

Everyone knows your thoughts on the subject.
 
Our net spend since Poch joined is 6M less than Liverpool’s

Imagine if Levy had worked pro bono that year and we spend that 6M on half a Shaqiri we’d probably be European Champions right now.




:pochfacepalm:
We've been through this before you fucking tart.

You think Poch's had more backing than Klopp.

Despite Alison 57 million, Van Dijk 76 million, Naby Keta 54 million, Salah 37 million, Mane 37 million, Fabinho 41 million Ox 34 million and others signed by Klopp.

Yeah, we get it
 
We've been through this before you fucking tart.

You think Poch's had more backing than Klopp.

Despite Alison 57 million, Van Dijk 76 million, Naby Keta 54 million, Alisson 54 million, Salah 37 million, Mane 37 million, Fabinho 41 million and others signed by Klopp.

Yeah, we get it

Aaaahhhhh

So SUDDENLY net spend means FUCK ALL and it’s about the QUALITY of the signings?

Kieta and Fabinho aren’t better than Ndombele by the way, and if Poch had coached and used Sanchez, Aurier, Moura in the same way Klopp would have, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
 
We've been through this before you fucking tart.

You think Poch's had more backing than Klopp.

Despite Alison 57 million, Van Dijk 76 million, Naby Keta 54 million, Salah 37 million, Mane 37 million, Fabinho 41 million Ox 34 million and others signed by Klopp.

Yeah, we get it
Mate I think what he is alluding to is no so much the spending because Liverpool have invested more but rather they have been better managed by a much better coach which I tend to agree with.
After all what is all this nonsense with poch that player's have to wait months before they earn the right to play or be fit enough, these people are athletes fucking play them if the team needs it like sessengon who has had the longest hamstring injury in history.
 
The positions I defend them on are factual.

Have we progress under ENIC? Yes.
Have we upped our spending since the stadium was built? Yes.
Do we play better football now than pre-ENIC? Yes.
Do I have a stronger bond with the players and the manager? Yes.

Don't try spin my own question back on me. I asked you, the great critique, who seems to know exactly what a good owner is, yet couldn't even name John Henry as a good option to own the club. I said nothing about only. What was that about being disingenuous?

I've already answered my own question once for you. I'm not breastfeeding you further.

Ok let's look at your "factual"points...

"Have we progressed under ENIC"

More complex than a yes or no imo, it depends what you define as progress.

There is no denying that in terms of league position, brand awareness and monetary value we have progressed under ENIC, in terms of trophies won we have actually regressed, so it depends what your definition of progress is, personally I think we have progressed under them despite our lack of trophies but I also think we could do better than them and just because they are far better than our previous owners doesn't mean we can't do better than them, so you answer on this is subjective, not factual.

"Have we upped our spending since building the stadium"

You say we have, again, this isn't factual.

I am saying that we are doing what we always have done, sell to buy and maintain profit over on field success, your opinion on this isn't factual or based on evidence, it's based on your feelings that we have suddenly spent because of the stadium being built.

My opinion is based on ENIC and their business model since being at Spurs and that we would have spent this window irrespective of the stadium being built or not because our spending was based on sales and CL revenue being above what was expected, this is the model they have always had since being our owners.

"Do we play better football now than pre ENIC"

This is subjective, not factual, I happen to agree with you but that doesn't make it a fact.

If you said "we've had better league positions under ENIC" I would agree, that is a fact, no denying that.

But "playing better football" is subjective, we could play shit defensive football and win a trophy, doesn't mean the football is "better."

"Do I have a stronger bond with the players and manager"
again, subjective, not fact.

Also, I didn't claim to know who should be our owners, I said I want owners that prioritise success on the pitch, that's it, that's the only criteria that matters to me as a supporter.
 
Aaaahhhhh

So SUDDENLY net spend means FUCK ALL and it’s about the QUALITY of the signings?
Your talking nonsense Sammy.
Of course it's about the quality, and generally speaking the more you spend the better quality you get.

It's why they cost more.
Klopp's got the players he wanted. Expensive players. In abundance.

When Poch called out for backing at the pivotal moment last summer, he just got his pants pulled down.


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And look at the fortunes of the two teams since!

Like I said before. Poch's big mistake was not walking then.
 
Ok let's look at your "factual"points...

"Have we progressed under ENIC"

More complex than a yes or no imo, it depends what you define as progress.

There is no denying that in terms of league position, brand awareness and monetary value we have progressed under ENIC, in terms of trophies won we have actually regressed, so it depends what your definition of progress is, personally I think we have progressed under them despite our lack of trophies but I also think we could do better than them and just because they are far better than our previous owners doesn't mean we can't do better than them, so you answer on this is subjective, not factual.

"Have we upped our spending since building the stadium"

You say we have, again, this isn't factual.

I am saying that we are doing what we always have done, sell to buy and maintain profit over on field success, your opinion on this isn't factual or based on evidence, it's based on your feelings that we have suddenly spent because of the stadium being built.

My opinion is based on ENIC and their business model since being at Spurs and that we would have spent this window irrespective of the stadium being built or not because our spending was based on sales and CL revenue being above what was expected, this is the model they have always had since being our owners.

"Do we play better football now than pre ENIC"

This is subjective, not factual, I happen to agree with you but that doesn't make it a fact.

If you said "we've had better league positions under ENIC" I would agree, that is a fact, no denying that.

But "playing better football" is subjective, we could play shit defensive football and win a trophy, doesn't mean the football is "better."

"Do I have a stronger bond with the players and manager" again, subjective, not fact.

Also, I didn't claim to know who should be our owners, I said I want owners that prioritise success on the pitch, that's it, that's the only criteria that matters to me as a supporter.
Hahahaha this is amazing.

I don't even know where to start in this clusterfuck of idiocy.

Have we progressed he's asked. ''Yea, if you're talking about League position''.

Hahaha, you couldn't make it up.
 
SchmoodSpur SchmoodSpur what is your opinion of the leadership qualities of the people that run Woolwich?

I don't see that much difference between them and Enic to be honest.
 
Your talking nonsense Sammy.
Of course it's about the quality, and generally speaking the more you spend the better quality you get.

It's why they cost more.
Klopp's got the players he wanted. Expensive players. In abundance.

When Poch called out for backing at the pivotal moment last summer, he just got his pants pulled down.


dCeyDEc.gif




And look at the fortunes of the two teams since!

Like I said before. Poch's big mistake was not walking then.
This is why mourinho won't come in he would want 5/6 in with levy telling him that in order to balance the books first Kane, son, Erikson and Ali need to go to raise funds it's a nonsense and why tji club will remain on the outside looking in.
 
Your talking nonsense Sammy.
Of course it's about the quality, and generally speaking the more you spend the better quality you get.

It's why they cost more.
Klopp's got the players he wanted. Expensive players. In abundance.

When Poch called out for backing at the pivotal moment last summer, he just got his pants pulled down.


dCeyDEc.gif




And look at the fortunes of the two teams since!

Like I said before. Poch's big mistake was not walking then.

Its why they cost more?
Ndombele cost more than Kieta and Fabinho

So Maguire is better than VVD?
Lo Celso is better than Mane and Sarah?

So why are slating our spending?
 
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