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Manager Jose Mourinho

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ElTel said:
And? For all that did he get any backing from the hierarchy at the first sign of trouble during the painful rebuild? Was our scouting system fit for purpose? Did we sufficiently invest in the right players when we were riding the wave? There is only so far you can go without properly investing in the team. The club right now is in a mess. Scouting fucked, no money to buy players, head of academy leaving, youth teams no longer promising like they were five or six years ago.

Pure complacency and neglect. And you think a new manager is going to change anything:levylol:
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I truly believe that a Nagglesmann (there are others) arriving at Hotspur Way tomorrow, would do more with this team with the games left than Jose has done since arriving. I've said this numerous times now, this season isn't mainly about the results but how we play. Our identity and style of play is more important than the results, it will show where and if we do need to change personnel.

Hate to say it but take a look at Arteta at the scum, a team far, far worse than ours and he has them already beginning to play to an identity, one that is different to that under Emery. They are still a flawed team with loads of issues but you can see that for consistent spells what he's working on, he hasn't spent a penny, just dealing with the players that were already there and were already shit. I've no idea if he's even good or not, there is no outlier for him, no previous body of work to reference, so I hope that he turns out to be a glorified cone placer, but I can see what he attempting to do.
 
Guido said:
I truly believe that a Nagglesmann (there are others) arriving at Hotspur Way tomorrow, would do more with this team with the games left than Jose has done since arriving. I've said this numerous times now, this season isn't mainly about the results but how we play. Our identity and style of play is more important than the results, it will show where and if we do need to change personnel.

Hate to say it but take a look at Arteta at the scum, a team far, far worse than ours and he has them already beginning to play to an identity, one that is different to that under Emery. They are still a flawed team with loads of issues but you can see that for consistent spells what he's working on, he hasn't spent a penny, just dealing with the players that were already there and were already shit. I've no idea if he's even good or not, there is no outlier for him, no previous body of work to reference, so I hope that he turns out to be a glorified cone placer, but I can see what he attempting to do.
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I agree with most of that, Guido 🇺🇦 Guido 🇺🇦 , except I could not honestly say we have a better squad than them. But I can see what Arteta is trying to do with less than ideal personnel, and he is not stuck in the stone age.
 
I think Jose´s made big a mistake today, at half time. We played well in the first 45 minutes, but he should´ve changed the team there; Lucas-Bergwijn-Son would never work against a physical team organized to defend the lead and wait for counters. Once Sheffield felt in control, we were exposed in every area we dramatically need to improve.

For those that never wanted Mourinho in the first place, this is the moment to say "I told you so. He´s finished. We´re doomed". I´m not surprised to see Jose´s haters very active again, and to be fair, I can´t blame them. It was a horrendous performance in the second half, and yes, a humiliating result.

But now the season is over. We can blame the manager all we want, it´s the normal first reaction. But in the end, we all knew this was coming at some point. Aurier as our main RB (never mind the only one) is not good enough; the Dier-Sanchez partnership, that couldn´t cope against McBurnie-McGoldrick, is not good enough; SIssoko is not good enough to be the man protecting the back four; etc. Any surprises?

My feeling is that Harry Kane´s disallowed goal (a disgraceful decision by the referee) was the best thing that could´ve happened to Tottenham. If the first half ended 1-1, we would probably win this game; everybody would be happy about the three points, dreaming about a CL spot.

Reality bites. But the way to go is to support the manager, give him time and give him players for the positions we all know this team needs. If you want to be fair, judge him after that, and not in the middle of the process.

COYS.
 
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The concept that Mourinho can't do anything with this squad is an indictment on Mourinho, not the squad. Fucking hell we just got beat by a bunch of players Wilder found at the park but what can Mourinho possibly do with a squad filled with Champions League players.
 
The Mercurial No.10 said:
Mourinho hasn't recruited anyone really yet, and of the ones he has, I'd sincerely have doubts they would be his first choice in a Non-ENIC world, but it is what it is. There's a reason Gedson was allowed out on loan.

Even Bergwijn wasn't his first choice, but he was signed. The transfer dealings just all have a stink of being prioritised financially IMO, Bergwijn has been bright. I have high hopes as he works his socks off, especially coming in so fresh. Night and day with Ndombele from a new signing.
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I've said it before, I think being the Spurs manager n the transfer market revolves around hearing who the board think will be profitable and you having the chance to say yes or no without putting your own choices forward. That's why Jose was such a strange choice. Bergwijn was scouted for 18 months apparently. That IMHO says Poch turned him down, Jose reluctantly said yes.
 
Guido said:
I truly believe that a Nagglesmann (there are others) arriving at Hotspur Way tomorrow, would do more with this team with the games left than Jose has done since arriving. I've said this numerous times now, this season isn't mainly about the results but how we play. Our identity and style of play is more important than the results, it will show where and if we do need to change personnel.

Hate to say it but take a look at Arteta at the scum, a team far, far worse than ours and he has them already beginning to play to an identity, one that is different to that under Emery. They are still a flawed team with loads of issues but you can see that for consistent spells what he's working on, he hasn't spent a penny, just dealing with the players that were already there and were already shit. I've no idea if he's even good or not, there is no outlier for him, no previous body of work to reference, so I hope that he turns out to be a glorified cone placer, but I can see what he attempting to do.
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Levy made the wrong appointment after Poch. Everyone knows what Jose brings to the table. I'm curious to see the next mug who Levy is lining up
 
Reidy said:
I've said it before, I think being the Spurs manager n the transfer market revolves around hearing who the board think will be profitable and you having the chance to say yes or no without putting your own choices forward. That's why Jose was such a strange choice. Bergwijn was scouted for 18 months apparently. That IMHO says Poch turned him down, Jose reluctantly said yes.
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Considering how Bergwijn has performed maybe our managers should listen to our scouting/analytics department a bit more.
 
BF3 said:
Poch took a squad that looked awful under AVB and made them progressively better.

So far Mou has taken a squad that looked bad under Poch and made them worse.

Let's stop acting like a manager can't actually improve players.
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AVB was sacked shortly before Christmas 2013. Tim Sherwood's record as caretaker manager to the end of the season before getting sacked, was P22 W13 D3 L6 - 42 points from 66, an average of just under 2 per game - 1.91.

Jose's record as caretaker manager so far is P20 W9 D4 L7 - 31 points from 20, an average of 1.55 per game.

I doubt Jose will be getting sacked at the end of the season. The thinking from Levy clearly was, we'll get the instant reaction he gets everywhere and get Top 4. That's clearly not happening, so what's the long term plan under Mourinho?
 
ElTel said:
Levy made the wrong appointment after Poch. Everyone knows what Jose brings to the table. I'm curious to see who Levy is lining up next.
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I believe Jose had two things going for him, legacy and standing in football. He was brought in to raise our profile and hopefully still be the manager he was 2003-2010.

He basically was a marketing gamble by Levy that currently has failed, and without the tool Jose usually requires, will continue to fail.
 
The only chance that next season will be a good one is if Mourinho gets the boot now, before pre-season. He doesn't have a clue anymore. There is no structure in our play after 6 months. It won't be after 3 years.
 
BF3 said:
Considering how Bergwijn has performed maybe our managers should listen to our scouting/analytics department a bit more.
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Maybe, maybe not.

He's fast, but very predictable, shifting the ball to his right all the time. Works if he gets 1 v 1 with a defender, but defences will suss him very quickly. Sheff Utd certainly did tonight.
 
ElTel said:
Levy made the wrong appointment after Poch. Everyone knows what Jose brings to the table. I'm curious to see who Levy is lining up next.
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Spot on. It was the wrong appointment but i thought he was unsuited to us because of style of football and transfer expectations. I did think he was past his best but i'm shocked at how average a manager he now appears to be. I thought he might have us pushing top 4 next season and maybe a domestic cup. No chance. None. The Clough analogy of his last few seasons seems fair.
 
You can only piss with the cock you've got, the squad was well overdue some new faces and it was always done at a lesser budget than the clubs that have overtaken us.

Llorente was the last more senior experienced player we bought, a Joao Moutinho in there perhaps would have done us wonders and fuck we'd scouted him enough. It's too much about the resale value and minimising loss on players IMO.

Far too often we have 'just' missed out on big transfers of players that have gone on to be massive successes at other clubs.
 
Juno said:
AVB was sacked shortly before Christmas 2013. Tim Sherwood's record as caretaker manager to the end of the season before getting sacked, was P22 W13 D3 L6 - 42 points from 66, an average of just under 2 per game - 1.91.

Jose's record as caretaker manager so far is P20 W9 D4 L7 - 31 points from 20, an average of 1.55 per game.

I doubt Jose will be getting sacked at the end of the season. The thinking from Levy clearly was, we'll get the instant reaction he gets everywhere and get Top 4. That's clearly not happening, so what's the long term plan under Mourinho?
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Five said:
I agree with most of that, Guido 🇺🇦 Guido 🇺🇦 , except I could not honestly say we have a better squad than them. But I can see what Arteta is trying to do with less than ideal personnel, and he is not stuck in the stone age.
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I can't disagree. But if Emery were still there they would still be more shit than us (I think). I think they are better than us right now but that's as a result of their manager rather than their players if that makes sense. Or to flip that we were better because of Poch(??).

Either way, the biggest ingredient is the coach the 2nd is the players and of course there are a tiny handful of Clubs that can marry the two.
 
Reidy said:
I believe Jose had two things going for him, legacy and standing in football. He was brought in to raise our profile and hopefully still be the manager he was 2003-2010.

He basically was a marketing gamble by Levy that currently has failed, and without the tool Jose usually requires, will continue to fail.
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I think you are spot on and that shows Levy has no feel for how to run the footballing side of the club. Never has and never will.
 
Reidy said:
Maybe, maybe not.

He's fast, but very predictable, shifting the ball to his right all the time. Works if he gets 1 v 1 with a defender, but defences will suss him very quickly. Sheff Utd certainly did tonight.
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For a 22 year old player in a new country on a new team in a new league, he's certainly exceeded my expectations. He was one of our best players the first 45.
 
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