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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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Ciro said:
I think he should be judge by his time with Spurs. But he did improve United.
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In some ways, when you look at the degree to which Mourinho has "improved" teams, it's kinda been diminishing returns every step of the way.

  • Instantly took Porto from obscurity to the best Portuguese team in decades and European Champions
  • Instantly, with the help of huge investment, made Chelsea into one of the great league sides in PL history.
  • Continued the existing excellence of the Inter he inherited, and strengthened their form against the biggest clubs to win the CL
  • Continued and peaked the existing excellence of the Real Madrid side he inherited, though perhaps didn't succeed in Europe as much as would be expected and entered a marked decline in his final season.
  • Pushed on a very talented Chelsea side that had been in the doldrums and built them in a champion somewhat lesser than his imperious previous reign and left under disastrous and acrimonious circumstances.
  • For a couple of years solidified a chaotic and under-performing United side but left under disastrous and acrimonious circumstances and wasted unimaginable sums of money in the process.
  • And so far at Spurs we have "stabilized a messy situation, rest TBD"

The tale of diminishing returns is clear. Is there enough juice left to squeeze to nick us a cup or two? Or does the combination of Jose's mind and this squad have too little to get over that hump before the inevitable self-immolation starts? That's what's at stake in the Mourinho era, for me. He'll be gone in three years, let's get whatever we can in the meantime. If there's a UEFA Cup in the cabinet for us to remember this goofy adventure by, so much the better.
 
Edinson Cavani, linked with Leeds United, Benfica and Inter Miami, could move to Brazilian side Atletico MG. The 33-year-old Uruguay forward left Paris St-Germain at the end of his contract in June. (Globo Esporte, via ESPN)

Surely worth a 2 year deal on a free? Kane misses enough games and can play 10...
 
ChrissyWaddleShares said:
Not always. It looks like PEH is done bar the announcement (but could be wrong, obvs)...Janssen (rightly or wrongly) was early; Bale was signed at the end of the previous season; Dele a year ahead and then loaned back...if the deal is easy then we sign early: if the other party is being an arse, then it drags on.

By this, I would expect the Serge saga to take a long time as clubs will be trying to fleece us; same with a second striker (unless it’s an untested younger player or a club desperate to offload - B’mouth / maybe Watford). The smartest move is getting PEH early so the team can move forward without major surgery, but anything else now can be an upgrade.
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You talk about deals dragging on if the other party is being an arse.

Or if the other club is trying to fleece us.

Has it never crossed your mind that maybe, you know, sometimes it could be us being the arse.
Or us trying to fleece the other club.

And that, ultimately, this is why we consistently fall short every transfer window?
 
FightingIllini said:
In some ways, when you look at the degree to which Mourinho has "improved" teams, it's kinda been diminishing returns every step of the way.

  • Instantly took Porto from obscurity to the best Portuguese team in decades and European Champions
  • Instantly, with the help of huge investment, made Chelsea into one of the great league sides in PL history.
  • Continued the existing excellence of the Inter he inherited, and strengthened their form against the biggest clubs to win the CL
  • Continued and peaked the existing excellence of the Real Madrid side he inherited, though perhaps didn't succeed in Europe as much as would be expected and entered a marked decline in his final season.
  • Pushed on a very talented Chelsea side that had been in the doldrums and built them in a champion somewhat lesser than his imperious previous reign and left under disastrous and acrimonious circumstances.
  • For a couple of years solidified a chaotic and under-performing United side but left under disastrous and acrimonious circumstances and wasted unimaginable sums of money in the process.
  • And so far at Spurs we have "stabilized a messy situation, rest TBD"

The tale of diminishing returns is clear. Is there enough juice left to squeeze to nick us a cup or two? Or does the combination of Jose's mind and this squad have too little to get over that hump before the inevitable self-immolation starts? That's what's at stake in the Mourinho era, for me. He'll be gone in three years, let's get whatever we can in the meantime. If there's a UEFA Cup in the cabinet for us to remember this goofy adventure by, so much the better.
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Interestingly you could argue it's been (for differing reasons) bigger challenges each time too....
 
John Thomas said:
You talk about deals dragging on if the other party is being an arse.

Or if the other club is trying to fleece us.

Has it never crossed your mind that maybe, you know, sometimes it could be us being the arse.
Or us trying to fleece the other club.

And that, ultimately, this is why we consistently fall short every transfer window?
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100% - but let’s not pretend that Levy is the only cockwomble chairman! It’s a pissing contest every year - £80m for Zaha?! The crazy money for N’Dombele?
Yes, Levy has a reputation, but the more it becomes business people with no personal interest (whether that’s Levy as some will argue; agents who are interested in a bigger cut; third-party image-rights - you name it) then it becomes more and more absurd year-on-year.

I’m not going to argue that Levy hasn’t cost us players - he has - but it’s not always him that causes deals to drag on or fall apart. (Unless you assume he should just pay whatever the other party asks for straight off the bat and just buy even less players, but earlier in the window).
 
John Thomas said:
Just a quick one guys.

There's a horse called Hotspur Harry running in the 6-40 at Tipperary.

I'm on.
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