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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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MVP said:
Na.
Doherty at 15 million is probably as cheap as it gets , so he wouldn't have to put is foot down.
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Reminds me of when we signed Parker.... Goes against the grain in terms of age, but still good value, ticks important boxes and very low risk.

We could have bought any old bollocks if cheap was all that mattered.
 
Pascy is a Spursy said:
Quite possibly.

Or its the fact that Levy trusts in a man that has won multiple titles wherever he has gone in a short space of time; 1-4 seasons. The evidence suggests that experienced players, that are from a slightly older generation are more adept at understanding Mou's way of thinking tactically and motiation. Althought this cant be said in generalities. I think the documentary is going to show how well versed he is in both disciplines.

It could also be becaue the recruitment staff are a bit more clued up with the analytical and data driven approach that has come to the fore over the last 5-6 seasons. Not just shelling out on potentials, with the likes of Foyth, Sess etc. Although this data approach can only be attributed to so much vs. obvious potential for younger players.

We arent going to sign world beaters, until we become world beaters or very close to consistenly challenging the current world beaters.

I like the PEH, Hart and potential Doherty signing. Experience and character mean a lot to a team challenging to get back to a certain base level of succes, like we are currently doing under Jose.

If we become a solid, water tight team on the pitch with consistent W's next season then the net spend shouldnt really be taken in to account or grumbled at. Its the destination, as they say, not the path taken that is important with Mou's tenure. If we 1-0 and 0-1 the likes of Chelsea home and away next season, then this place should be pretty happy with that.

Am I wrong?
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Levy doesn't fully trust anyone, Poch was the guy who had the most trust but he still bumped heads with him over recruitment.

The players that we recruited so far are here because there was opportunity to get them cheap in Hart's case for free. It doesn't mean there is going to be any big rebuild, PEH replaces Wanyama, Hart replaces Vorm, Doherty replaces KWP, it's smoke and mirrors.
 
MVP said:
Levy doesn't fully trust anyone, Poch was the guy who had the most trust but he still bumped heads with him over recruitment.

The players that we recruited so far are here because there was opportunity to get them cheap in Hart's case for free. It doesn't mean there is going to be any big rebuild, PEH replaces Wanyama, Hart replaces Vorm, Doherty replaces KWP, it's smoke and mirrors.
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Care to explain?

7/9 players recruited since last summer are 24 or under.... One would expect them to be around for a number of years.

Meanwhile, apart from KWP everyone leaving has been at the other end of the age scale....

How would you typically describe a rebuild?
 
MVP said:
Levy doesn't fully trust anyone, Poch was the guy who had the most trust but he still bumped heads with him over recruitment.

The players that we recruited so far are here because there was opportunity to get them cheap in Hart's case for free. It doesn't mean there is going to be any big rebuild, PEH replaces Wanyama, Hart replaces Vorm, Doherty replaces KWP, it's smoke and mirrors.
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There is in no way Doherty is a Levy signing. If Levy had his way, Aarons would have been bought in. 20 year old with sell on value. Doherty will have no sell on value, it's a Mourinho signing. Hojbjerg was only linked to us when Mourinho had signed. Yes, he had a year left which is a Levy favourite, but Mourinho would have been behind him due to his leadership.
 
Airfixx said:
Care to explain?

7/9 players recruited since last summer are 24 or under.... One would expect them to be around for a number of years.

Meanwhile, apart from KWP everyone leaving has been at the other end of the age scale....

How would you typically describe a rebuild?
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I think what he means is improving the RB and signing a DM isn’t what we need

Also signing players that can walk straight into the first team isn’t what he wants, he wants more two year potential
 
Spursidol said:
Doherty has 2 attributes your suggestions dont have :

1 PL proven
2 Qualifies as HG replacing an Overseas Trained player = Freeing up space for another Overseas Trained player.

Atal just come back from injury, not sure he's played since ?

Its about building a squad, so as I say, the only compromise with Doherty is replaing a 27 year old with a 28 year old. Not ideal but I get that JM wants experienced players - and that's the compromise with hiring JM.

Of course JM is also building the squad in a different way - Tanganga (CB) played last season, Cirkin and White name tagged as playing in 20/21 and played v Ipswich (and both looked fine), as well as Bowen and CCV playing against Ipswich whilst Skipp, Eyoma and Parrott loaned out to get experience. Of those 8 youngsters I'd like to think that in 2 or 3 years time there are 2/3/4 Club Trained players who will form part of the squad going forward (and JM knows we will need some of them in the squad now given the hectic schedule we have this season).

So 28 year old Doherty is signed but JM commits to getting several youngsters through into Spurs first team squad - think that's a win win compromise for both points of view.
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I'm going to ignore the youngsters thing, as only time will tell how that plays out.

I get there might be a slim case for the Doherty thing on a purely short term, footballing basis, I'm not convinced but I'll accept there's an argument to be had. But it makes no sense on financial or team building levels.

What do we give him a 4 year deal ? then in two years time we've got a spent 30yo RB who we need to recycle again, who's lost about 80% of that value, who'll just end up like TA, SIssoko, Rose, JV just hanging around taking up a valuable squad place.

Do we even know Doherty will be able to replicate what Aurier does, in terms of athleticism and dynamism, getting up and down the pitch, playing in a back 4 instead of Wolves back 5?
 
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Airfixx said:
Care to explain?

7/9 players recruited since last summer are 24 or under.... One would expect them to be around for a number of years.

Meanwhile, apart from KWP everyone leaving has been at the other end of the age scale....

How would you typically describe a rebuild?
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Getting rid of Sissoko, Lamela, Rose, Aurier, Foyth,. I'm 50/50 on Moura . Bring in back up striker, DM, creative midfielder.
Gedson won't be staying, there are question marks over Ndombele, Sess, Clarke
 
bus-conductor said:
Strengs scored 5 assisted 7, Bergwijn scored 3 and assisted 1. 2100 minutes v 700. So almost identical basic output per min. I just think Stengs has much bigger potential and has a more exciting skill set.
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Bergwijn scored 5 and assisted 10 for PSV in 19/20, better than Stengs in half a seasons worth of games. I really like what I've seen of Stengs and I'd like to see us linked with him, but they're different kinds of player. Think we'll see a better Bergwijn as the season progresses and he gets up to the pace of PL football. Could see he was knackered at times for us last season.
 
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