Basically just that individual errors cost us. "You can't make three mistakes likes this in big games"
Don't think it's 'throwing players under the bus' really. Just a fact
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Don't think it's 'throwing players under the bus' really. Just a fact
I didn't see it as "throwing the players under the bus".
Summarising what he said;
An individual mistake led to a Dipper chance in the first minute
An individual mistake led to their goal in the last minute of 1st half
We were in control and giving them problems
Individual mistakes cost us
Individual mistake for 1st goal
Individual mistake for 2nd goal
Good spirit and fight to score
Individual mistake for 3rd goal
Makes it hard when individual mistakes costs 3 goals
Means we have to score 4, which is "difficult"
Only player he mentioned by name was Rodon.
"Very, very good.........played well.........made a mistake.........WILL start next match"
For me it was relief rather than joy, but still a punch in the air.
But last night when Son scored (before it was ruled offside), there was this taste of now watch us spend the next 85mins camped on the edge of our box where we will no doubt invite so much pressure we will inevitably concede to a team that's scored one goal in their last 5 games (and that was against the worst team this league has ever seen).
There is no sense of a performance is going to show we're the better team in control of any game we play, it's a roll of the dice if we make it to the end of the game as winners, losers or a draw. At no point do I go into a game with optimism as our football is joyless, boring and lacking in any form of an intelligent plan other than to get the ball to Son and Kane. We are the image of our joyless, boring, tragic manager.
Pretty much sums it up for me too.
Add to that Burnley, Brighton and West Brom where we scraped unconvincing wins then there have been very few good performances
Each to their own. I completely lost my shit at both goals, even the disallowed one.
That was 4 years ago Guido. time moves on and Harry lumbers up top (so much so that Mou has him dropping so Sonny can strech the defense), Mousa is no longer here and neither is Wanyama to stomp out attacks and hoover up second balls, Sonny has never been good pressing, etc etc fucking etc.
I dislike Mou as much as the next right thinking person but let's not invent alternative facts here. The team needed a rebuild when Poch was here. Still doesn't excuse the whole ball of nothing we look like...that is all on Mou.
Out of that group 2 maybe 3 I would have been good with. Not everyone was wanking at this past summer window. And even if you look at those players it doesn't display a plan beyond the fact they were cheap and opportunistic buys. DL even came out patting himself on the back for the REggie/Bale move giving himself full credit. Again, Mou has massive culpability here as well as the players but there is another person responsible for this too.
There are some on here (and the tide is turning) calling Mou out for this BS.
Totally with you here.
Is that thing with Lloris true?
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Tottenham just aren't that exciting or interesting to watch any more.
Not sure I completely blame Mourinho. It was getting like that for a while under Poch too.
We have a shocking defence, and I understand the logic in trying avoid situations where we need good actions from poor players - so defend as a collective, avoid leaving shit players defending 1vs1.
It's been a long time since I have felt so bad about our back line. We have often had a top class player in there pulling things together even with shit around them. Toby used to do this, as did Jan, King, Campbell, Mabbutt for example. But now I struggle to see a good defender from all our options. Reguilon is the only one I would want in a back line from the lot of them - and not for his defensive qualities.
Not sure I completely blame Mourinho. It was getting like that for a while under Poch too.
We have a shocking defence, and I understand the logic in trying avoid situations where we need good actions from poor players - so defend as a collective, avoid leaving shit players defending 1vs1.
It's been a long time since I have felt so bad about our back line. We have often had a top class player in there pulling things together even with shit around them. Toby used to do this, as did Jan, King, Campbell, Mabbutt for example. But now I struggle to see a good defender from all our options. Reguilon is the only one I would want in a back line from the lot of them - and not for his defensive qualities.
The thing is we don't really know, what they are like in the dressing room.
This is NOT proof that Aurier is a bad guy, but it does show Lucas angry with him.
"You speak about everything, Every day you speak about everything, every day"
Hey goose. Levy isn’t a football man he is in it for profit.He doesn’t give a shit if they win anything.It’s all about the $$$$$.
Who care about Moura the eternal sub paid 100k /week to do funny video ...
And Dier was fucking stupid last year during this drama..
Estou cansado Jose.
Does that translate as “Are you cancer Jose!”
And ?
Aurier:
Convicted of assaulting a police officer.
Dropped from PSG team for insulting his manager and FOUR of his team mates
Using homophobic language
Insults a referee on twitter, leading to a 3 match ban
Yeah, the guy is clearly friends with everyone.
So Mourinho is Jinder Mahal and Poch is Nakamura?
I’m tired Jose.
Laurent Blanc was exactly what he said .... just look how was Zlatan in their rest room .
he was Zlatan pet and all the FRANCE knew it.
So Laurent Blanc really is a "faggot", and sucks Ibrahimovoc's cock ?
I never knew that, thanks for putting me right.
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The main point is I've watched many a team play progressive football under the tutelage of a good coach with limited players, who has them performing better than the sum of their parts. This is absolutely fundamental part of identifying a talented manager. (I've listed them before and I think we are on the same page on these managers) and Poch was also a classic example of this when he joined us.
The results may not be there, but the performance can be and conclusions can be debated about what is lacking etc. The biggest example of this is Hasslehuttle and Potter. Their squads are completly bare of any world-class talent but they play well but ultimately let down by not having player 'X', 'Y' or 'Z' in whatever position.
Playing as we are it's simply impossible to draw too much onto player 'X' as shit when none of them, with the exception of Son and Kane, are set up to succeed. I have said from the day we signed Doherty that he's not as good as Aurier, whilst taking a ton of flack at the time I think it's fair to say I might have been right on that score. BUT, I'm not bashing the fella because they way we are set up means all of our defenders are going to make errors and will eventually result in the oppo profiting from it. The said player then becomes the object of derision, led by the chief cheerleader Jose himself.
The pressure that our players are now having to perform under is immense, they are terrified at making a mistake, which either manifests in them making a mistake or us playing risk-averse pass and boring shite, or as in our case BOTH! When a team is drilled to be fearful of an opponent’s threat, this is the approach to which we will default in times of stress. The defensive line that drops just a couple of yards, the ambitious through ball eschewed in favour of a safe sideways pass, the little cues that alert an opponent that the momentum is shifting, the forward 10yrd run to receive the ball is not made as they think the player on the ball will lose it, and they will then be out of position, to not show for the ball at all as this might invite an error. This is the downward spiral of what is manifesting itself on the pitch.
Good managers have the players walking on air, having them confident and therefore wanting the ball, looking for it, showing for it. From this baseline, good and poor players can be identified. Potter can look at his attacking options and know that with a better forward selection they can score more goals, Ralph will know another CB with pace and an aggressive 6 is a must if he wants to maintain his high-line.
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