20 hours later and I must say yesterday was one of the worst performances I have witnessed. The team selection and halftime plan were also horrendous.
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Whatever happens I would give him this full season. And then yes analyse the situation in may
Ikpeazu did not look like the 2nd coming of Drgoba at all, he had a few good plays, one against Toby and that was it. The fact you have to resort to such blatant hyperbole to try and make your point shows how weak your argument is.
And no the last game is not the most relevant. Kane was pretty meh that game as well, but I don't think anyone would sit him.
Toby has been by far our best CB this season. One meh, not even bad game, does not change that, especially when anyone replacing him has had much worse performances.
Rodon was fine, I would like to see more of him as well but he has not in any way been better than Toby and there is zero reason to think he will be. If you want to see him ahead of Toby because of age fair enough but ability wise it is Toby by a mile.
Anyways this really isn't a Toby-Rodon question it should be Toby as the 1st choice RCB and then deciding between Dier and Rodon on who plays next to him.
Never been Joses biggest fan but I always wanted him to work out. Its only fair he gets the full season. If he gets us top 4, he deserves to remain. Its in his hands.
Same bollocks got trotted out before he went United.
Can't believe we fell for it as well.
But we constantly got top 4 playing much better football under Poch.
If all he can get us is what we were getting before he got here except with more investment in players and much worse football what is the point?
My biggest fear is that we get nothing and finish out of the top 4 but Covid and time is used as excuses to bring him back, but winning the League Cup and finishing outside the top 4 is not much better and you have to think that trophy win will be used to justify him coming back.
I think the best, taking realism into account, scenario is that we win the League Cup finish outside the top 6. Jose gets to save face by winning us a trophy, Levy gets to congratulate his crush on winning the trophy but no CL is used to have us move on from Jose.
Him getting us 4th because this is such a terrible season and then coming back again next year would be very tough to take unless things majorly changed in the last half of the season.
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Have to say...... Jose doesn't half talk a load of old crap.
If Gareth really is nearly back to his best.... Why did "The Special One" sub on Coco.
To get to the point where Dier had no idea where his man was and Rodon was looking the wrong way we first had to lose possession and the defensive midfield had to let the offence players through.
That was my point.
Maybe its Lloris' keeping that is bailing us out?
Apparently 9 other teams in the league have a better quality squad than Spurs. We are actually overperforming our underlying metrics somehow, both xG and xGA. Higher than xG makes sense because of our finishing from Son/Kane, but our bad players in defense are somehow overperforming as well.
The last game is the most relevant cos we had not seen him since he got injured. What we saw on Monday was a very good indication of what we would have gotten if he played on Thursday. You might not like it, but that was the reality and there were several comments in the match thread to support it. Toby kept getting too tight on Ikpeazu and the Ugandan kept turning him with ease. Kane might not have scored, but Wycombe defenders werent looking like VVD against him.
The question is about who are our best CBs and right now Rodon and Dier are ahead of Toby. If Toby rediscovers his form, or the others get worse, I have no problem with him starting ahead of them. But there is nothing to suggest he should at this point.
You thinking he should be first choice is simply fanboism, but then he is not your only love. Your idea of a good formation is anything that gets your favorite players on the pitch irrespective of form or quality, and even when they dont deliver, blame someone else for their failings.
I think at this point Ledley King is a better option than Eric Dier.
Can you explain this a bit more?
Apparently 9 other teams in the league have a better quality squad than Spurs. We are actually overperforming our underlying metrics somehow, both xG and xGA. Higher than xG makes sense because of our finishing from Son/Kane, but our bad players in defense are somehow overperforming as well.
that Rodon looks better than Dier and everyone else, shows how bad the lot are
LOL
Toby is by far the best CB we have it isn't even debatable.
My favorite formations are one that get our best players on the pitch, I know a novel concept for you and your boy Jose but something that successful managers try to do.
And blaming someone else for failings is the Jose special, it is what he has done his whole career and carried on here.
Yes although tbf Rodon looks really good. Not saying he is the next Van Dijk but his assets could make him a class CB.
The mistakes chat is a misdirection, players make mistakes all the time, they just tend to stand out more when the team's struggling at the other end of the pitch as they have more of an impact.
Our GA is pretty reasonable, which doesn't suggest anything out of the ordinary wrt to mistakes leading to goals, but if you consider our GF is boosted heavily by the 2 games where we ran riot then it's clear that we're not doing enough at the other end (1.35 gpg in the 17 games outside of the 5-1 & 6-1) considering we have Son and Kane as forwards that is a terrible indictment of our attacking play
Our GA is pretty reasonable, which doesn't suggest anything out of the ordinary wrt to mistakes leading to goals, but if you consider our GF is boosted heavily by the 2 games where we ran riot then it's clear that we're not doing enough at the other end (1.35 gpg in the 17 games outside of the 5-1 & 6-1) considering we have Son and Kane as forwards that is a terrible indictment of our attacking play
I can. Actually it was Levy really who fell for it. Think most of us supporters (even parking any dislike or bias we had against him for his Chavs association) knew he was a busted flush. Levy seemed to think he was getting the 2009 vintage Mourinho, not the washed up 2019 version.
Our xG and xGA metrics have us as the 10th best squad on balance of the season, more or less, and our current point total is higher than you would expect given our level of performance over the first half of the season.
Even if you work under the assumption that Mourinho's teams will always overperform these metrics because of how he manages game state, we still have only collected 9 points from our last 8 matches, so it's not like we've been grinding out results, either.
When Toby was the best, he was starting. If he still was, he would still be starting. That he is not starting simply shows that he no longer is. Everything else is simply your own delusions.
Arent you the guy that thinks that Bergwijn would be a better DM than Sissoko? Yes successful managers would play Bergwijn as a DM. What a load of nonsense