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Manager Jose Mourinho

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Mourinho is going to have to change his principles to survive. Those draws against Fulham, Wolves, Palace etc came directly from his mentality of protecting the lead being more important than adding to it. We have good enough players to attack lesser teams and kill games by scoring more goals. That is what any team with Kane and Son should be doing, not putting the pressure to win on our ropey defenders keeping the clean sheet.

There were some signs against West Brom and Everton that he was leaning more in that direction and it needs to continue. Playing reactively against superior teams is fine, against inferior teams we should be proactive. When playing weaker teams it's daft to ask two of the best forwards in the world to spend more time in our half than the opponent's.
 
DR Spurs said:
OK...it's hard not to press the buzzer when you know the answer! (and I'm bored at work) :)

1, The first part of my post relates to you labelling me as one of Jose's 'fawning fans"....you are welcome to your opinion, but labelling fans without even engaging with them may just provoke a response....imagine if you walked up to someone in the street and labelled them like that, I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't be walking away without a 'comment' or two!

2, I get it, you want Jose sacked and you think that he is a 'tosser' too apparently. Just one thing though....if you've never met Jose, nor spent any meaningful time in his company, how do you know he is a tosser, and bully, and a nasty piece of work? Is that an opinion based on anything other than hearsay or conjecture? That's a rhetorical question by the way.

3, The question was actually whether you disliked 'fans who support their manager, or just Spurs fans who support their manager'. In other words, what is so wrong with supporting the manager and why is it regarded as 'fawning' if you do? Well dodged though!

4, Also, well done for spectacularly avoiding the main point of my post...I know, it's hard to see through all of that pro-Jose red mist right? Here, I'll give you another chance....

If you recognise that some of our players are not good enough (see numerous individual errors this season for proof), how can that be all down to our current manager when many of these players were not even signed or scouted by him?

Or, if you don't like the way we are playing right now (not many of us do btw), then how much of that is down to the manager/tactics and how much is down to having sub-standard playing staff in the first 11?
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I’ll deal with this....

1) We all recognise there are squad deficiencies. That doesn’t excuse the current performances or league standing. This is a top 4 squad make no doubt, and at ABSOLUTE worst, the 6th best in the league. We aren’t there. He should be doing much better.

2) No manager has a perfect squad. You think Pep wants Zinchenko at LB? It’s the managers job to work with the players at his disposal. Otherwise what are we paying him 15m for?

3) “Not signed or scouted by him”. Has any manager in PL history ever had a team solely consisting of players he signed or scouted other than than Fergie and Wenger? What an odd point.

4) “Sub standard playing staff”. You genuinely believe we have a squad that’s really 9th best in the league? A team that should be getting DOMINATED by Brighton?

5) Even if we accept your absurd notion that this is a borderline bottom half squad with no hope, why would we want Jose managing a long-term rebuild?! If you think that’s his MO you weren’t paying attention in Jose history class, it isn’t. Covid is going to restrict the ability of every club to buy their way out of trouble, why is he the man to take us forward?

Again, there isn’t a fan that doesn’t accept there are squad deficiencies, but we are on target to get 59 points, that’s utterly pathetic. If you think that’s because our backup LB is shit you’re beyond help.

My question to you; without deflecting to the squad or Levy, what are you seeing from Jose at Spurs that gives you cause for encouragement?

What have you been impressed with in terms or tactics, coaching, substitutions and squad management? I’m yet to see a Jose supporter offer anything on this point.
 
GDG said:
I’ll deal with this....

1) We all recognise there are squad deficiencies. That doesn’t excuse the current performances or league standing. This is a top 4 squad make no doubt, and at ABSOLUTE worst, the 6th best in the league. We aren’t there. He should be doing much better.

2) No manager has a perfect squad. You think Pep wants Zinchenko at LB? It’s the managers job to work with the players at his disposal. Otherwise what are we paying him 15m for?

3) “Not signed or scouted by him”. Has any manager in PL history ever had a team solely consisting of players he signed or scouted other than than Fergie and Wenger? What an odd point.

4) “Sub standard playing staff”. You genuinely believe we have a squad that’s really 9th best in the league? A team that should be getting DOMINATED by Brighton?

5) Even if we accept your absurd notion that this is a borderline bottom half squad with no hope, why would we want Jose managing a long-term rebuild?! If you think that’s his MO you weren’t paying attention in Jose history class, it isn’t. Covid is going to restrict the ability of every club to buy their way out of trouble, why is he the man to take us forward?

Again, there isn’t a fan that doesn’t accept there are squad deficiencies, but we are on target to get 59 points, that’s utterly pathetic. If you think that’s because our backup LB is shit you’re beyond help.

My question to you; without deflecting to the squad or Levy, what are you seeing from Jose at Spurs that gives you cause for encouragement?

What have you been impressed with in terms or tactics, coaching, substitutions and squad management? I’m yet to see a Jose supporter offer anything on this point.
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59 points *klaxon*

Sorry, when that's mentioned I do like to remind people that 59 points would be the lowest points from a manager given a full season without being sacked since Glenn Hoddle in 02/03.

15m a year.
 
DR Spurs said:
I get it, you want Jose sacked and you think that he is a 'tosser' too apparently. Just one thing though....if you've never met Jose, nor spent any meaningful time in his company, how do you know he is a tosser, and bully, and a nasty piece of work? Is that an opinion based on anything other than hearsay or conjecture? That's a rhetorical question by the way.
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How about , eye gouging a fellow professional live on TV, Abusing bullying and public humiliation of a female member of staff who was simply doing her job , Personal abuse of a fellow professionals wife again in public . All this a clear indication the man is a bully and a coward...
 
StripiestPilot said:
Mourinho is going to have to change his principles to survive. Those draws against Fulham, Wolves, Palace etc came directly from his mentality of protecting the lead being more important than adding to it. We have good enough players to attack lesser teams and kill games by scoring more goals. That is what any team with Kane and Son should be doing, not putting the pressure to win on our ropey defenders keeping the clean sheet.

There were some signs against West Brom and Everton that he was leaning more in that direction and it needs to continue. Playing reactively against superior teams is fine, against inferior teams we should be proactive. When playing weaker teams it's daft to ask two of the best forwards in the world to spend more time in our half than the opponent's.
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Because he doesn't have the adequate defense to protect the lead , back then he had petr cech , terry, carvalho , paulo ferreira ,gallas , makelele essien / mikel protecting the lead and leaving the opposition hopeless, 1 goal in and it's over..what we should do is giving jose the right personnel to do so.
 
Parklane13 said:
How about , eye gouging a fellow professional live on TV, Abusing bullying and public humiliation of a female member of staff who was simply doing her job , Personal abuse of a fellow professionals wife again in public . All this a clear indication the man is a bully and a coward...
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the case was not bullying it was name calling, along the lines of daughther of a ...., with the female staff, and he actually scoulded both the male and female, and to date nothing was or has been mentioned about the guy in the equation.

Luke shaw had lifestyle issues, in which the penny has finally dropped and is now reaping the benefit,ole went and brought in telles to focus lukes mind even further.

Furthermore insulting someone is not bullying, bullying whether verbal or physical is repeated action of belittling a person, whether their performance or character, or laying physical blows on that said person.
 
wonmina said:
Because he doesn't have the adequate defense to protect the lead , back then he had petr cech , terry, carvalho , paulo ferreira ,gallas , makelele essien / mikel protecting the lead and leaving the opposition hopeless, 1 goal in and it's over..what we should do is giving jose the right personnel to do so.
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Well then he needs to adapt his tactics to suit the squad of players he does have.

At the moment it is We have a very good squad for keeping possession and attacking, but I won't use that.
Our defence is as nowhere near strong as our attack, but I will will put all the pressure on them.

See the problem. It is not Jose has the wrong personnel.
It is Jose is totally misusing them (literally every one of them), and is totally the wrong fit for our club as he won't adapt, and certainly we aren't going to spend half a billion on him.


Maybe we should have hired Rui Faria, because at moment it looks like he was the brains of operation and the man that could actually organise a team. and Jose was his front-man
 
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Probably about the 10th time I've said this but here goes again .

I wonder what our season would've been like had Jose been able to buy Ruben Dias or Milan Skriniar rather than Joe Rodon.

Surely we'd have conceded less goals and look better defensively.
The solution was so simple yet ENIC/Levy chose the cheap option.

We really need that better CB perhaps that would've helped Jose win over more people.

Many fans were happy with the Summer business but I always maintained the stance this window was a 7/10 without the CB because I knew the CB would cause so many problems... Really dissapointed we didn't make that final push with the CB but that's spurs for you.
 
Trotter said:
Well then he needs to adapt his tactics to suit the squad of players he does have.

At the moment it is We have a very good squad for keeping possession and attacking, but I won't use that.
Our defence is as nowhere near strong as our attack, but I will will put all the pressure on them.

See the problem. It is not Jose has the wrong personnel.
It is Jose is totally misusing them (literally every one of them), and is totally the wrong fit for our club as he won't adapt
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And this I also agree with ^

I feel a bit sorry for him that he has poor defenders and we'd do better with better quality , Yes

But play to your strengths and we don't do that - that's on Jose.
 
MouraThat said:
Probably about the 10th time I've said this but here goes again .

I wonder what our season would've been like had Jose been able to buy Ruben Dias or Milan Skriniar rather than Joe Rodon.

Surely we'd have conceded less goals and look better defensively.
The solution was so simple yet ENIC/Levy chose the cheap option.

We really need that better CB perhaps that would've helped Jose win over more people.

Many fans were happy with the Summer business but I always maintained the stance this window was a 7/10 without the CB because I knew the CB would cause so many problems... Really dissapointed we didn't make that final push with the CB but that's spurs for you.
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They chose the cheap option because it was that or nothing. Inter wanted a big fee for Skriniar and we couldn’t afford it.

We have an extraordinary amount of debt and we will be be playing in an empty stadium for the entire season, there is no more money to spend on players.
 
wonmina said:
Because he doesn't have the adequate defense to protect the lead , back then he had petr cech , terry, carvalho , paulo ferreira ,gallas , makelele essien / mikel protecting the lead and leaving the opposition hopeless, 1 goal in and it's over..what we should do is giving jose the right personnel to do so.
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Well then surely Mourinho needs to change his plan and NOT rely on our inferior defence to hold onto a 1-0 lead and instead be more expansive in search of a second goal. Surely we can agree on that?
 
fruityloopie said:
the case was not bullying it was name calling, along the lines of daughther of a ...., with the female staff, and he actually scoulded both the male and female, and to date nothing was or has been mentioned about the guy in the equation.

Luke shaw had lifestyle issues, in which the penny has finally dropped and is now reaping the benefit,ole went and brought in telles to focus lukes mind even further.

Furthermore insulting someone is not bullying, bullying whether verbal or physical is repeated action of belittling a person, whether their performance or character, or laying physical blows on that said person.
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Are you seriously trying to defend some of Mourinhos actions mentioned here?
Particularly his incidents with Tito Vilanova and the Chelsea medical staff? Both of which were examples of absolutely appalling behaviour by a professional of his experience no matter what way you look at it?

Jesus Christ man.
 
I am going back to last nights match between Barca and PSG.

Our squad is set up reasonably similar to PSG (admittedly standard of players is level down generally).

My view whereas Poch saw weakness in opponents and selected his team and tactics to attack Barca (3 up top, moving Veratti into advanced role etc.). Jose would have set team up for a 0-0 to nullify Barca's strengths rather than play to their own strengths, and when conceding a penalty even accepting a 1-0 defeat in first leg would be good result in his eyes.

That is the difference. Our team is set-up to play a totally different way to which it is being used.

We just need to find the next Poch style manager, both to suit the current squad, and to suit how football in general has progressed over the last 10 years or so
 
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