Jose Mourinho

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We were 14th when Poch got sacked after getting thrashed by Brighton, humiliated by Colchester and thrashed by Bayern 7-2 at home

Remember?
We were 3 points from Top 5, having already played Man City, Woolwich, Leicester and Liverpool all away from home (4 of the 6 hardest fixtures of the season) in the first 12 matches.

It wasn't great, Poch had checked out, but to say he inherited a shitstorm is an absolute joke.

We had also just beaten Red Star 4-0 and 5-0 in Champions League, you know a competition we are no longer in, and a team at the level of the one that has just given us the most embarrassing result in our 139 year history
 
We were 14th when Poch got sacked after getting thrashed by Brighton, humiliated by Colchester and thrashed by Bayern 7-2 at home

Remember?

Kekerinho Kekerinho = shitshow
I’m surprised you didn’t add the “we didnt win an away game for a whole year mate what a disaster” :bentley:

Poch was at the end of his days at Spurs and we all know it but to say he left a shitshow behind is a bit harsh. The same way you could say Mourinho left a shitshow at Chavs in his second tenure then the next season they won the league with Conte.
 
I didn’t believe it at the time but the rumours persisted
The rumours didn't persist, the pathetic jokes of people trying to get funny ratings on forums did.
But for you to say the same thing twice now in 2 days as if it was actually true, just shows what sort of person you are and agenda you have.
 
Hence why we have not been and will not be perennial contenders for titles.

But yet we were....

and then if that is the case..... Why employ mourinho? Is he not the Special One??
Above mere mortals in terms of his managerial style and techniques?? Worth the extra salary to get the extra performance.

Past five years who are these perennial league contenders you speak of? Who is on your list?
 
From the Athletic.
Mourinho's tactics look like they're designed to absolve him of blame and put pressure on Tottenham players

Many years ago, there was a lively post-match debate on Sky Sports between Graeme Souness and Gordon Strachan.

The subject was the optimum way to defend corners, because the two Scots had just watched a team using zonal marking concede from a set piece.

Strachan was a proponent of defending zonally at corners, pointing to statistics about its increased effectiveness and explaining that it prevented attacking block-offs. Souness insisted that man-marking was a better approach. His main point, which he repeated on multiple occasions, was that “zonal marking lets players off the hook”.

Souness, whether or not he realised it, was effectively saying that his tactical preference stemmed from wanting to pin the blame for conceding on a player. If a zonal marking approach fails, the system — and therefore the manager who implements it — is considered culpable. But in a man-marking system, if someone gets outjumped by an opponent, you can point the finger directly at them.

And therefore what appeared a tactical debate was, in actual fact, nothing of the sort. It was really a debate about man-management, about the relationship between players and their boss, about the extent to which a manager must carry the can for their failings on the pitch. Strachan focused upon which was best for the team. Souness was about which was best for him.

This decade-old debate came to mind this week, in light of Jose Mourinho’s reaction to Tottenham Hotspur drawing at Newcastle United from 2-1 up with six minutes left, while permitting their highest single-game xG figure of the Premier League season so far. BBC reporter Juliette Ferrington asked Mourinho why his side keep on relinquishing leads, whereas previously his sides were renowned for hanging onto them. “Same coach, different players"

Not for the first time, a revealing answer stemmed from a question framed in light of his previous successes — Mourinho has a habit of giving more detailed answers to questions that begin with things like “Jose, as someone who has won it all…”

It would be quite possible, though, for his players to respond in kind.

To varying extents, the likes of Toby Alderweireld, Eric Dier and Davinson Sanchez have previously played in a stern Spurs defence under Mauricio Pochettino. That was an entirely different style of defending, based around pressure in advanced positions and a high line.

When that defensive approach got breached, we tended to talk about the high line rather than the individuals.

It’s the same, for example, for Hansi Flick’s Bayern Munich, who used an extraordinarily high line en route to European Cup success last year. It was impossible to watch them defend against Barcelona in the last eight or final opponents Paris Saint-Germain without almost jumping out of your seat, such was the bravery of their high line. Had they conceded to PSG from a through-ball and a run in behind, Flick would have been blamed. But he would probably have accepted responsibility, for he knows that a high-risk, high-reward strategy is best for his side.

Mourinho once used that approach. Watch his triumphant Porto side throughout the Champions League knockout phase in 2003-04 and you’ll be surprised by how high his defence position themselves. These days, his defences sit deeper, dropping back to their own penalty box quickly, particularly if Tottenham have gone ahead. On multiple occasions this season, that approach has cost them. While Mourinho would explain it forms part of his attacking strategy, attempting to draw the opposition forward and give Spurs space to counter-attack into, rarely have his side constructed regular breaks to justify their deep positioning.

The thing with defending deep is that you’re asking your defenders to do more traditional defensive tasks. There are more aerial challenges inside your box, more situations where you have to stick tight to a player who is in a goalscoring position, more danger to anticipate and more blocks to be made. It also means that it’s more possible to concede goals that are not, in isolation, attributable to managerial strategy.

When Tottenham lost 2-1 away to Liverpool in December, for example, the goals came from a crazy deflection, and then a late set-piece concession (from, of course, man-to-man marking).

The first goal was unfortunate, but if you allow the opposition 76 per cent of the possession and 17 shots to your eight, there’s more chance of one finding its way into the net almost accidentally. Similarly, if you allow that much pressure, you concede more corners than you win (seven to four in this case), and there’s more chance of one leading to a goal. These things add up over time.

It is sometimes said that Mourinho is antiquated tactically; that his inability to win trophies recently is because he hasn’t adjusted strategically. There’s clearly an element of truth to that, in comparison to Jurgen Klopp and Pep Guardiola, but his primary problem is surely his inability to command the respect of players over a sustained period of time, evidenced by sudden drop-offs in his pre-Tottenham stints with Chelsea and Manchester United.

It came as little surprise that, after Mourinho responded to Sunday’s 2-2 on Tyneside by blaming his players, some of them objected. It’s difficult to imagine many other current managers responding similarly.

But that’s logical if Mourinho’s tactical approach is also out of step with that of his contemporaries. The tactical development of football, particularly over the last couple of decades, is about universality, about particular tasks being done collectively. Modern sides press aggressively from the front and play out from the back, meaning defensive play starts with your attackers and attacking play starts in defence. Every concept is a task for the entire side.

Mourinho’s approach is more old-school. He works less than other contemporary managers on prepared attacking possession routines, preferring to allow playmakers to find solutions themselves. In a world of false nines, Mourinho has always liked true strikers such as Didier Drogba, Diego Milito and Zlatan Ibrahimovic. He also likes proper defenders that belong in their own box: John Terry, Lucio, Ricardo Carvalho.

With that approach, it’s more viable to pin the blame on somebody when things go wrong. If a goal is conceded, a defender is more obviously at fault than the system. And this comes back to that Strachan-Souness debate, which demonstrated that tactical decision-making and man-management are not entirely separate concepts.

Mourinho’s reputation has never been lower, which is why he is determined to shift culpability onto his players and protect himself.

It’s entirely possible that his tactical decision-making is also geared towards absolving himself of blame.

Now, he’s fighting to prove he deserves to be in charge of Tottenham, rather than in his previous role: in a Sky Sports studio, nodding along with Souness.
Was about to post this.
Great article and it shows why more of the blame should lay towards Mourinho.

The issue for me is the attitude he gives off. WHile he may not implicitly say sit back invite pressure etc.. he designs the team to do that. No attacking play in training and always focusing on nullifying the opposition rather than playing to your own strengths.
 
We knew about the arrogance and his man management style, and were warned about the tactics. Most of us were hoping to be proved wrong. It hasn't happened, and instead we have a clear answer to the question of whether 'football tactics have moved on'.

We've wasted Poch's foundation, and instead of adapting his tactics to the players at his disposal, Mourinho has tried to play like prime Inter or more recently Athletico Madrid. Arguably the worst possible use of a squad heavily weighted to attacking quality.

I must admit I thought he was a good appointment at the time, but it's turned very sour. We need him out before he does too much more damage.
I always said from the start he was a bad appointment.
He's a dinosaur. It was never going to work.

I remember sitting there watching United fall apart and laughing over it thinking this will never happen to us (because we had Poch)

Then we got Mourinho and I feared it and look what's happening now , falling out of love with the club because of Mourinho.
 
Well he's used up his 9 lives thats for sure. Guess it depends on his contract but if we lose in another feeble performance on Sunday or if the players have downed tools completely i'm not sure how we limp on for a further 8 games after Utd.

I just can’t think who takes over until the summer? Any serious manager will what a proper contract beyond 8/9 games. I think levy will want to wait until the summer to get a top manager in. By changing now he has to guarantee the replacement does better than Mourinho would of.
 
We were 3 points from Top 5, having already played Man City, Woolwich, Leicester and Liverpool all away from home (4 of the 6 hardest fixtures of the season) in the first 12 matches.

It wasn't great, Poch had checked out, but to say he inherited a shitstorm is an absolute joke.

We had also just beaten Red Star 4-0 and 5-0 in Champions League, you know a competition we are no longer in, and a team at the level of the one that has just given us the most embarrassing result in our 139 year history

Poch needed to go. 100%. He had lost some of the dressing room. Players wanted to leave Including Toby and dier (who Jose signed up on longer contracts as his favoured back two).

That Colchester game we played 3 x 18 year olds and couldn’t score. Two of those kids Jose wanted nowhere near the first team and have played zero minutes for Spurs this season.

And then ...went out Losing on pens. Colchester had 0 shots on target in 90 minutes. Eriksen and moura missing theirs. World class footballers..... One of those nights.

Yet people find that more embarrassing than losing 3-0 in Europe to Dinamo Zagreb when we just needed 1 away goal and had a team full of internationals.

Takes all sorts in life I guess. What makes it interesting
 
It was well known that Jan was shagging Eriksens wife and turned up with a black eye!
Mate.

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