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Manager Jose Mourinho
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I guess Levy felt we were UCL finalists and top 4 for 3 or 4 seasons so the nucleus was already there to win big things. Mourinho would have certainly talked that up too as he did in his first press conference. Snake oil salesman Chelsea prick hasbeen dick twat that he is.
It has turned into a disaster which many predicted but no one wanted.
I cannot believe you are still arguing in favour of Mourinho. It is so dire at the moment I am contemplating not bothering watching Spurs play the rest of the season. I find I am happy not watching the drivel he serves up.
I think the Jose gamble was one worth taking. It was a cheap shortcut and could have worked if our squad wasn't full of babies.
It is no secret that mentally the squad are not quite right, they don't know how to win. This is why despite having the best team in England for long periods during Poch's reign we never won a single pot - not one!
It's also telling that Kane, Lloris and Hojberg seem to be behind Jose - the few players we have that have the right mentality and/or quality to feel they deserve to win things - meanwhile the likes of Winks, Dele and Aurier skulk around in the background, upset that daddy Poch went out for tobacco and never came home.
I think looking from the outside Jose probably thought he could get a tune out of his squad but would have quickly realised that the Spursy curse runs deep with this group.
All coaches need to spend to win things but Jose more than most because he needs a large enough group of players with the mindset that chimes with his approach. In previous clubs, in a different less coddled era, he probably started with a larger core and just had to finalise the project.
At Spurs he only has a handful of players that won't shirk away from the harsh treatment but will respond well. I think the turnover required is too big for him to get the players he needs to be successful. We are talking 7-8 players. He would need two more windows and I don't think he will be afforded the time.
It is no secret that mentally the squad are not quite right, they don't know how to win. This is why despite having the best team in England for long periods during Poch's reign we never won a single pot - not one!
It's also telling that Kane, Lloris and Hojberg seem to be behind Jose - the few players we have that have the right mentality and/or quality to feel they deserve to win things - meanwhile the likes of Winks, Dele and Aurier skulk around in the background, upset that daddy Poch went out for tobacco and never came home.
I think looking from the outside Jose probably thought he could get a tune out of his squad but would have quickly realised that the Spursy curse runs deep with this group.
All coaches need to spend to win things but Jose more than most because he needs a large enough group of players with the mindset that chimes with his approach. In previous clubs, in a different less coddled era, he probably started with a larger core and just had to finalise the project.
At Spurs he only has a handful of players that won't shirk away from the harsh treatment but will respond well. I think the turnover required is too big for him to get the players he needs to be successful. We are talking 7-8 players. He would need two more windows and I don't think he will be afforded the time.
Jose Mourinho has only ever worked in small doses. He burns through squads I remember him implying he would of won Spurs the title when Leicester won it, then I found out at the time he was leading the league champions and had manged to have them sitting in 17th at Christmas with 9 losses.
Would you enjoy working in a hostile work environment where your manager throws tantrums like a 5 year old.
Agree that he was brought in to take the Spursy out of us and change the mentality, and I believe a lot of us thought that with the additions we had a strong squad that could compete for top 4 and possibly win a pot or two.
The fact is the players downed tools weeks ago, the football has been the worst I've ever experienced as a Spurs fan over a prolonged period. We had far worse teams than this that played better football in the 90's.
Mourinho should have gone after we crashed out of Europa, he is clearly done but we are keeping him on life support.
No excuse for the attitude and weak mentality of the players but this hasn't worked out.
The trouble is I just don't really see where we go from here, we have so many crap players who think they are good and will be difficult to offload. Who in there rights minds would want to take on; Sanchez, Dier, Sissoko, Doherty?
Also players that I believe are very talented like Ndomble, Lo Celso, Dele are being pissed away and not delivering anything for us at the moment.
Really don't know the answer, even when Jose is finally put out of his misery what's to say this lot will play for the next bloke that comes through the door?
Club is toxic right now.
I’d call him ‘sir’ if I thought it would help!Please please please Daniel!!!! Fucking Daniel
Haha
Mentality this, Spursy that, Spurs curse there.
Having the best team for long periods during Poch's time ? well if you exclude Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and Man Utd then maybe, who all had squads double the cost of ours.
The team have have weak mentality, and don't know how to win ?, well how on earth did they reach a CL final, and over-achieve relative to the spend on them every season
I see this as nothing but a post to diss Poch, and excuse Mourinho because you put all your eggs in his basket, and that backfired on him and your credibility spectacularly.
I don't think there has ever been a worse fit for a football club than Mourinho and Tottenham
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Mourinho for me has single handedly ruined the club I have loved for forty years
Needs to go now
What irks me even more is if Levy does keep him until the end of the season and we were to win the league cup Mourinho will always have that arrogance to say he won something at the club whilst totally dismantling it.
Poch reached a league cup final in his first season and despite being humbled by Chelsea he never had that much money chucked his way and the team played some of the best attractive football on the planet and always had a go at the opposition.
Needs to go now
What irks me even more is if Levy does keep him until the end of the season and we were to win the league cup Mourinho will always have that arrogance to say he won something at the club whilst totally dismantling it.
Poch reached a league cup final in his first season and despite being humbled by Chelsea he never had that much money chucked his way and the team played some of the best attractive football on the planet and always had a go at the opposition.
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Can't believe some on here still defend the bloke and point to the players for our/his failings. For sure, we have some rotten, deadwood players, but you're not telling me another manager like Rodgers wouldn't have us higher in the table, with a content dressing room, and playing some cohesive, attacking football.
The gamble has failed miserably. Time to cut our losses either after the cup but def at the end of the season.
The gamble has failed miserably. Time to cut our losses either after the cup but def at the end of the season.
Ignoring how poorly we’ve been run in the past 2-3 years and Playing the victim card is for fucking losers. It’s embarrassing.
In no way, shape or form defending Mourinho, cunt should have gone weeks ago.
But to try and claim that the players don't have a weak mentality and Spursy isn't real....
Won the CL with unpolular Porto and the trebble with Inter
To think he was winging it is hilarious.
Always said something had to give when he came to Spurs. Either we finally shed out massive loser complex or he fails to to win something.
Looks like it's the outcome no one wanted.
I said best team - not most expensive squad. So yes there was a point where we had the best team and failed to win a single pot. Even Leicester managed to sneak ahead of us when the rest of the big boys were going through rebuilds - can't get much more Spursy than that.
Your CL final point would have made sense if we won it but, newsflash, we lost. And we lost in one of the worst finals ever - terrible performance.
Oh no! My credibility on TFC has taken a hit according to some creature called Trotter. How will I cope?
The post was not a diss to Poch. He did a great job for us and took the squad to it's limit. It's limit was just short of being able to win things. We now have a worse team and guess what we are no closer to winning things. Jose has failed but I can't say I'm surprised given some of the dross he has to work with.
It feels like Levy bought into the surface level analyses of the club that tends to rely on buzz words pundits use because they are too lazy or too stupid to actually understand what is happening. This "mentality excuse go DERP" shit is the type of claptrap Keane spouts off that everyone calls him a dope for, but a large minority of our fans seem more than happy to buy into it when it comes to Spurs.
It's not hard to understand, especially with hindsight, what went wrong - the club had plateaued in late 2017/early 2018 and from a combination of hubris, stadium issues, and stubbornness, we didn't refresh the squad until summer 2019. It was not particarily difficult to see that our league performances had been trending down for 6 months, even if we played well in the Champions League, but by that point, Poch was completely burned out.
Instead of correctly diagnosing the problem and possibly looking to other clubs for ideas on how to structure things to better support football operations, Levy bought into Mou's sales pitch, ignored all the reasons why it wouldn't work, and threw the bank at him. What transpired was entirely predictable - go look at the first 50 pages of this thread.
This needs to end now. Mourinho is a sunk cost and Levy is falling into the fallacy. This is not going to get better. It's over. Pull the plug.
It's not hard to understand, especially with hindsight, what went wrong - the club had plateaued in late 2017/early 2018 and from a combination of hubris, stadium issues, and stubbornness, we didn't refresh the squad until summer 2019. It was not particarily difficult to see that our league performances had been trending down for 6 months, even if we played well in the Champions League, but by that point, Poch was completely burned out.
Instead of correctly diagnosing the problem and possibly looking to other clubs for ideas on how to structure things to better support football operations, Levy bought into Mou's sales pitch, ignored all the reasons why it wouldn't work, and threw the bank at him. What transpired was entirely predictable - go look at the first 50 pages of this thread.
This needs to end now. Mourinho is a sunk cost and Levy is falling into the fallacy. This is not going to get better. It's over. Pull the plug.
I said it would all end in tears in 18 months, so, technically, we're ahead of schedule!
