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I both agree and disagree. I do agree the billionaire sports-washers would probably be happy to play in the current or new formats and are following the lead of the American cabal.

The point I am making in general though is when you start allowing people like Abramovich into your league as owners, you're clearly stating all you care about is money. I don't think this happens in a different environment where the clubs ownership aren't so fully compromised.

American owners didn't approve Abramovich buying Chelsea, the English FA did.

So yes, this current plan is very American and the billionaires are going along for the ride, but the reason it can get off the ground in the first place is the FA has created an enviornment where it's all possible.
I see the angle you're taking. To that end, its probably the FA's fault more than anyone and really they'd have been better off with the crown jewels owned by Saudis and the like who never paid enough attention to the "business" to ever dream up something like this. Instead they courted the clean boardroom investors, who absolutely looked at the whole thing like a turkey to be carved up.
 
My gut detests the idea of this thing, but my brain is finding it harder to get all apoplectic about it.

This is either the biggest bluff in the game of poker the Uber clubs have been playing with uefa for years or it’s not, but either way what we’ll end up with is a new version of the CL - which is what was happening anyway, and the Uber clubs weren’t going to let up until they got more control (and more of the money pie) over that anyway.

The premier league aren’t going to ban the clubs that generate all its revenue. The PL will continue.

And who really gives a shit if our best players aren’t playing a bunch of international games every year against San Marino and Lichtenstein and get a rest every summer.
This project exposes the reality of Fundamentalist Free Market Capitalism, which is not about maximising competition but instead about exploiting Capital to secure Monopoly Status for those with the deepest pockets and most privileged access to Finance (in this case, the banker scum of JP Morgan). To get all Marxist for a moment.

Just like Covid-19 was a wet dream for Big Pharma (which was granted unlimited access to human test subjects, all R&D taxpayer- funded even if their particular drug failed, and fast track, minimalist regulation for drugs with an ongoing market of the entire human population), so the Fat Cat, often heavily leveraged, owners of the world's biggest football clubs ultimately want to minimise or even eradicate Risk.

The NFL American football model has franchises with no relegation, so your team can suck for decades and, well, that's just the way the cookie crumbles for fans of those clubs. The Fat Cat owners still make huge profits from monopoly TV rights deals, stadiums funded by taxpayers, sales merchandise etc even when their franchise loses every single match it plays. There is no jeopardy of relegation, of losing your place amongst the elite.

Also, NFL owners don't have to worry about developing young players as all youngsters are legally obliged to go to college teams, essentially without remuneration, risking their bodies & health for the chance of getting drafted. Which means being told which team they're going to play for as the Fat Cat owners allocate their free lottery tickets (draft picks) to hoover up the best young talent.

And finally, NFL owners benefit from a salary cap, which exerts significant control over salary inflation and makes medium term financial planning easy. Plus no astronomical transfer fees, as players are "traded" for lottery tickets (draft picks), not for tens of millions of pounds. Again, the eradication of financial risk.

So, no need to put performance clauses in a manager's contract around say Champions League qualification. This new, bastardized-American sports model, essentially creates a status quo for the 23 years the clubs have signed up to.

I still bleed Spurs. And I want us have the best team possible playing the very best teams.

But I loathe this Uber-Capitalist destruction of the beautiful game by scum like the Glazers who have never kicked a ball in their lives.
 
All good points, all true. Still there are other aspects as well.

Fans treasure their team's triumphs against the classic European teams precisely because of their rarity or "unusualness" - I'd imagine that's the same for teams with considerably more European heritage - Liverpool and United mainly - as it is for us. I have mates who are old school fans of both of these and they remember the games, the scorers, the first-leg result and so on.

It's a bit like eating in a fancy restaurant on a special occasion, it wouldn't be half so much fun or as memorable if you ate there every week, and the great experience doesn't prevent you from thoroughly enjoying a lovely shepherd's pie or other normal home-cooked fare the rest of the time.

People laughing out loud out loud out loud because we won't have to play West Ham etc. are missing that point. I want to play West Ham, we have a history of ups and downs that goes back many decades. I want to play Burnley away on a windy, rainy night and have them make life difficult for us. I want us to huff and puff in the cup against a 4th Division outfit on a bumpy pitch with a portacabin for a changing room (and see our rivals eliminated in such circumstances).

All these things have played a part in creating the beautiful game. Now it feels like someone has taken that thing of incredible almost natural beauty and turned it into the equivalent of some fake Botox filled plaything for the amusement of geriatric old men
 
I could get on board with it if it really was an updated version of the CL, but the absence of any promotion or relegation makes the thing so pointless.

We’ll spend the next two decades just mooching around in a lavishly paid hinterland where we get beaten in the new super league and then play meaningless matches in the PL. There is no Top 4, nothing to aspire to.

It’s just a shit sporting framework.

I think this is the point of the “additional” invitation teams. Eventually this ESL will expand to allow the highest finishing clubs in their leagues to be invited in every year.

Let’s face it, the CL is pretty much a cartel of the same 8-10 clubs every year anyway, The financial hegemony these clubs have mean they are effectively already part of a super league, the notion of relegation from it for them is more symbolic than real,

Look at ManU, even with a buffoon like Solskjaer in charge they have still made their way back there, because they can buy their way into it with transfers and wages, regardless of them getting outplayed by teams like Brighton every week.

At least now we’ll be there every season.
 
This project exposes the reality of Fundamentalist Free Market Capitalism, which is not about maximising competition but instead about exploiting Capital to secure Monopoly Status for those with the deepest pockets and most privileged access to Finance (in this case, the banker scum of JP Morgan). To get all Marxist for a moment.

Just like Covid-19 was a wet dream for Big Pharma (which was granted unlimited access to human test subjects, all R&D taxpayer- funded even if their particular drug failed, and fast track, minimalist regulation for drugs with an ongoing market of the entire human population), so the Fat Cat, often heavily leveraged, owners of the world's biggest football clubs ultimately want to minimise or even eradicate Risk.

The NFL American football model has franchises with no relegation, so your team can suck for decades and, well, that's just the way the cookie crumbles for fans of those clubs. The Fat Cat owners still make huge profits from monopoly TV rights deals, stadiums funded by taxpayers, sales merchandise etc even when their franchise loses every single match it plays. There is no jeopardy of relegation, of losing your place amongst the elite.

Also, NFL owners don't have to worry about developing young players as all youngsters are legally obliged to go to college teams, essentially without remuneration, risking their bodies & health for the chance of getting drafted. Which means being told which team they're going to play for as the Fat Cat owners allocate their free lottery tickets (draft picks) to hoover up the best young talent.

And finally, NFL owners benefit from a salary cap, which exerts significant control over salary inflation and makes medium term financial planning easy. Plus no astronomical transfer fees, as players are "traded" for lottery tickets (draft picks), not for tens of millions of pounds. Again, the eradication of financial risk.

So, no need to put performance clauses in a manager's contract around say Champions League qualification. This new, bastardized-American sports model, essentially creates a status quo for the 23 years the clubs have signed up to.

I still bleed Spurs. And I want us have the best team possible playing the very best teams.

But I loathe this Uber-Capitalist destruction of the beautiful game by scum like the Glazers who have never kicked a ball in their lives.

Good post. Sickening but true
 
I think this is the point of the “additional” invitation teams. Eventually this ESL will expand to allow the highest finishing clubs in their leagues to be invited in every year.

Let’s face it, the CL is pretty much a cartel of the same 8-10 clubs every year anyway, The financial hegemony these clubs have mean they are effectively already part of a super league, the notion of relegation from it for them is more symbolic than real,

Look at ManU, even with a buffoon like Solskjaer in charge they have still made their way back there, because they can buy their way into it with transfers and wages, regardless of them getting outplayed by teams like Brighton every week.

At least now we’ll be there every season.
Yep, as I mentioned a couple pages back, we basically have a de-facto super league now.

A real fix to football would require teams like Barca, Real, Man United, and yes, even us, to make ourselves drastically less successful from an on field performance stand point. I know it's an American concept, but a salary cap might actually make sense and be good for the European game. Teams would be limited in how much they could spend on transfers and/or player wages which means that the financial might of the Man U and Real Madrids of the world would matter far less.

In a league like that, talent scouting and development would be rewarded more than anything else and you would have far more parity. Right now the "super league" clubs guarantee near top of the table finishes every season just based on how much they spend.

A system where teams were limited in spending would make the seasons far more competitive and enjoyable. The problem with the American system is the lack of promotion and relegation. So the salary caps are good in that they promote parity, but you also need the downside consequence that relegation poses in order to ensure teams are competitive.
 
Everyone can say what they want about this, but we will all watch it. I'd definitely rather watch Spurs play Real Madrid every season more than I'd like to watch us play Burnley.

It's not even about the teams that you are facing. Its about earning the right to face them.

This is a none contest, yeah you play Madrid, but come Jan when we can't win it every game is pointless as there is nothing to play for, the same for the Prem if we stay in it, there is no fighting for Europe, it is win it or be a filler team.

We have sold our soul to be a filler team for the financial elite. Lets not pretend we are one and lets not pretend this will elevate us. The teams in it are the teams we cannot compete against currently and it will continue to be that way.
 
Everyone can say what they want about this, but we will all watch it. I'd definitely rather watch Spurs play Real Madrid every season more than I'd like to watch us play Burnley.
Really don't like this kind of disrespect for proper football clubs.
No person or club should ever feel above their competition just in terms of sportsmanship.

We will have a lower win % than under Mourinho in the ESL. I definitely prefer watching us win matches.
 
As someone else just mentioned, all it would take is some players of stature to tell them to fuck off and the whole thing falls apart.

Rumours that Klopp will resign if it goes ahead, could be huge if true.

These are smart business people, they have all of this figured out. The players aren't going to go anywhere.

The money will be too big and too tempting, and none of the top talent is going say "You know I'm really upset by the lack of meritocracy in this system, I'm going to go play for Southampton because I'm such a big believer in the pureness of football."

This decision wasn't taken lightly and they weren't uninformed. They planned for all the negative consequences and fall-out and still made the same decisions. I believe that they probably spoke to a number of players about this to get their thoughts and prepare them for potential consequences. I'm sure that they spoke to agents as well.
 
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