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Management Poll: Who do you want most as our next manager?
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I totally agree with this, but here's the case for it anyway: you can't start a project when you don't know what the project is, and the uncertainty around Kane, Son, and Covid makes the current situation impossible to project going forward.
Whether it's a director of football or an empowered proper manager, you hire that person with a clear remit of what the 5-year plan is. We simply lack the ability to do that right now. Ralf Rangnick cannot come in and credibly say "we are selling Harry Kane to Chelsea for 95MM because that is my project".
And yet, we need a manager. Rafa Benitez would be a good example of a safe pair of hands who is well liked by players and a good coach for some of our mysteries like Ndombele who would give us a chance to get a good look at what we have, keep things on schedule, and then when the longer term future is clear, install a proper football setup at the club.
I believe you that that's your preference, but a nobody manager getting terrible results won't last the season even if Ryan Sessegnon and Oliver Skipp are playing eye-catching football. Also, that's not something Kane and Son will sign up for.
Why would we get a nobody manager that doesn't get results though? Why not get a good progressive manager that can work with young players and build a team that plays well and gets results.
I guess we see Benitez differently. I do not see a safe pair of hands at all. I don't think he would be a good coach for any of our players, especially Ndombele. Hiring guys like Rafa seems a safe way to stay mediocre.
I think you and I don't know what the project is but Levy sure as shit better. If he is uncertain about what is going on with Son and Kane then we are fucked. He better have a set plan for that, or at least once he hires and talks to the new manager they better have a set plan. Other teams all over Europe are able to progress under Covid no reason why we should be special cases that can't.
2-3 years of 10th place football would be a financial disaster for the club, that's what you posited.
"Rebuilding" is an incredibly stupid and cynical concept borrowed from American sports that would be better left to one side. We should absolutely seek to turn a page toward a new, younger core around a select group of the Poch team, but the idea that you "develop" that project by losing is simply incorrect. That's a clear sign it's NOT working.
Anyway, the thing Ally Gold has mentioned time and time again and been ignored here is probably the most critical piece, even though it doesn't give us as layman outsiders much indication of who the manager will be, but that's someone who is down with the cutting edge sports science stuff that the stadium and training ground have been built around. Our next manager will be fluent in business guy bullshit the way AVB was.
So when Poch said we needed a rebuild, he was reflecting an American idea? I dont think so.
I posited 2-3 years of 10th place over trying to grind out 6th place, not that 1th place was my desired result just that if we are going to have shit results might as well do it with youth that is building to something so after 2-3 years we can compete for top 4 rather than going with Benitez finishing 6-8th for 2-3 years and then still being nowhere close to top 4. I think we can bring in youth and still be competitive but if the club isn't willing to do that, a few years of lower play and then top 4 is better than consistent mediocre crap.
Rebuilding isn't BS NA idea, look at the youth that Chelsea has brought through their club and is now helping them, the youth United have brought through, Liverpool have youth players contributing to them a ton as well, even City. The top teams bring through young players and give them a chance. They don't block young players by bringing in mediocre veterans like Doherty or keeping mediocre crap like Dier, Sissoko, Lamela, Moura, Winks, Aurier.
Those are great examples. Bringing through youth isn't how you win in five years, bringing through youth is how you win NOW.
Honestly I can't shake Marcelo Gallardo and if some reports of it not being a name on the media list that will get it, I just think he fits the bill too well.
Hes turned down clubs it seems that are the step below us, he would know all about us aswell being Pochs friend and fellow countryman. Apparently West Ham and a Everton are the clubs he turned down previously. A few rumblings from River Plate fans also thinking it could be spurs to finally take him abroad.
My head says Levy is pushing for Rodgers really. My heart is begging for us to try Gallardo
Hes turned down clubs it seems that are the step below us, he would know all about us aswell being Pochs friend and fellow countryman. Apparently West Ham and a Everton are the clubs he turned down previously. A few rumblings from River Plate fans also thinking it could be spurs to finally take him abroad.
My head says Levy is pushing for Rodgers really. My heart is begging for us to try Gallardo
No, it meant that we needed to turn over the squad. Poch had no intention of finishing 10th.
The poisonous notion that seems to be crossing the pond is the idea that losing is "proof" that a project is "working". It's almost like some protestant virtue notion where the submission to suffering in the immediate term will be rewarded for its own sake.
It total balderdash, even in American leagues with draft systems.
The truth is like college football in the US. Winning leads to winning, the way to win is to win.
What?
You don't think having young players play now helps you five years from now? Are the good young players we play now going to all of a sudden suck in 5 years?
Fuck you really focused on that 10th comment without actually see what was being said. I never said that the goal should be 10th. The point about 10th is that I would rather finish 10th with a young kid like Lavinier play than finish 8th like we are now watching Aurier make the same mistakes over and over. Both are shit results, both are not where we want to be but at least with Lavinier there is some hope.
Get over the NA BS you seem to want to focus on here, it in no way is relevant, is not what I was suggesting. But you get you show what a big, bad anti-NA sports stud you are by ranting about it for no reason.
You're misunderstanding me.
You are positing a short-term trade-off of playing younger players that isn't really there. Give the kids a chance and the ones that can help us will reveal themselves and make us better right now.
Mason Mount was better than the guys he got games over at Chelsea. We'd have gotten much more out of Oliver Skipp this season than Moussa Sissoko.
That should help with any negotiations with Lazio or to increase pressure on Juventus to make a deal for him sooner if they are thinking of him before they "risk" losing him to Spurs.
Levy waiting for Brenton to bottle top 4 and bring him on
The sheer Englishness of that head. Terrifying.Levy waiting for Brenton to bottle top 4 and bring him on
Wasn't she a page 3 girl in the 80s?
The debt has a clear plan to be paid off that only the pandemic has scuppered in the last year which no one could see coming. Even after the yearly repayments on the debt, we're better off financially because of the increased revenue the stadium brings - which means we have more money for wages and transfers.
That isn't a defense of Levy btw, just the reality of what the stadium brings and it's been borne out in the last couple of transfer windows since the stadium was completed.
Our league position and general standing in the game has been better under Levy than it has under Sugar, who I think I'm right in saying only ever saw a highest league position of 7th whilst chairman. They both have one trophy, Sugar in 10 years, Levy in 20. But we've challenged for the league under Levy and had regular European football which brought us to the ESL table, not imaginable under Sugar (the rights and wrongs of the ESL I'm not getting into).
My real frustration with Levy is how he runs the football side. Our transfers in recent years have been piss poor, we don't seem to have any plan or coherent strategy, any 'club philosophy' (Jose following Poch made zero sense from a footballing style point of view for example), the scouting is shit, we're wasteful with our money, there's no coherent footballing style throughout the club, we lurch from a DOF model to a manager model and back again and he doesn't seem to trust anyone or have good transitional plans for when senior staff are sacked or move on.
I'd love to see an experienced DOF come in, identify what the club footballing philosophy and style is, ensure from U9s to the fist team that everyone follows it, appoint a coach who follows it, have a brilliant scouting and analytics team who identify players to buy who fit it and if the coach fails, then the next one must also buy into the club playing style. That way we won't be throwing money away on players who don't fit the new managers style.
One of the clubs we should be looking at as an example is Liverpool who follow this model with less resources than Chelsea, United and City but spend their money well generally and are competitive as a result.
Without a sugar daddy to financially dope us, it's the only way to compete and be successful. Why Levy, who is obviously an intelligent man can't see this, is beyond me.
For that reason, I'd like to see him gone, I just don't think anyone is about to buy the club for £1.6 billion. So I just hope he does the above because if he doesn't nothing is going to change. I'm not holding my breath.
I think we end up with Southgate , but knowing levy he is waiting till we get knocked out the Euros so he is a free agent! This would actually be a worse appointment then Jose , at least at the start we had a bit of hope with Jose , with Gary the best thing will be his waistcoats!