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Racism is abhorrent.... end of.

Whether it's a white skinhead who dislikes Asians.... or a Hijhab wearing Muslim who hates Jews... or hey, even a black guy who (maybe justifiably) hates whites... they all have their personal reasons.... be it Religion, Politics, History, or just plain bigotry.

Still don't make it right though.... whoever it is!

As and when the Alien invasion happens, we're ALL just weak little Earthlings, with 2 funny eyes, a weird little mouth that we needlessly feed through, and a nose in the middle of our faces!

When the Alien blood sucking Zombies arrive, we're ALL fucked in the end, regardless of WHAT colour we are....

So let's just get along in the meantime, before the apocalypse comes!
 
It's is undoubtedly true that Brexit plus the rise of Trump has led to a resurgence of racism. That's not the same as saying all Leave voters and Trump supporters are racist, the majority certainly aren't, but there is definitely a link. Of course social media is part of the problem as well.

Plenty of white England players have missed penalties in the past, colour has nothing to do with it.

It's all rather sad.
 
I hate Scousers said:
You are never going to end racism, if you are going to get your panties in a twist every time some moron shits on his keyboard and hits send on an anonymous platform you are going to be permanently stressed, I also wager you are going to have a bleak view of this country which I don't feel is merited.

I don't think drawing so much attention to it does anyone any favours If I'm being honest. I just feel it paints a bleak view of this country and sows further division. I don't think this is a racist country, I mean we definitely were in the past there is no getting around that, and of course a small fringe still are. But that's the point I'm trying to make here, I think its a very small fringe.

The human race will eventually evolve out of such petty prejudices, but for the moment we are simply hard wired to fear change and to fear what may be construed to be different. Same way as eventually we will evolve out of tribalism - though what that will then mean for competitive sports I have no idea as lets be real picking teams is just forming a group identity along tribal lines.

I guess the point I'm trying to make in this ramble is that for the time being there will always be a handful of racist people but lets also please stop pretending this is an exclusively white thing, there are also plenty of racist people of all ethnicities. It's part of the human conditions.

As a half romany gypsy I may be white but I've been on the end of racial abuse myself, I've been called pikey, gypo etc, more times than I care to remember. It's not nice but I just accept some people are fucking morons, I'm not here to change the world and I'm not going to become a victim.

The reason for this ramble is I just find it infuriating when I go online to the BBC, Sky, my MSM feed all I've seen last few days is people focusing on the few idiots who abused the players and the few hooligans who beat up the Italian fans its just all negative all the time. And its wearing me down.

The enduring image I'm going to be left with, is people coming together of all walks of life and all ethnicities singing Sweet Caroline arms in arm like it should be.
This was a great tournament and a great advert for this country.

I'm not going to sweat a handful of knuckle draggers on twatter take that away.
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I agree with your general sentiment, I really do but I also think there is nothing wrong with calling out racism and trying to make positive changes through meaningful discussion.

If it works or not is a different matter but I see no real harm in people showing they care, history has shown that the only way to create change is through dialogue.

We have come so far in terms of race relations, we really have, even if people think we haven't, as someone who has experienced it I know for a fact that we have.

However, there is still a long way to go and I don't believe that people speaking up is a negative.

I do agree that seeing everyone together singing of all backgrounds was beautiful to see.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
I agree with your general sentiment, I really do but I also think there is nothing wrong with calling out racism and trying to make positive changes through meaningful discussion.

If it works or not is a different matter but I see no real harm in people showing they care, history has shown that the only way to create change is through dialogue.

We have come so far in terms of race relations, we really have, even if people think we haven't, as someone who has experienced it I know for a fact that we have.

However, there is still a long way to go and I don't believe that people speaking up is a negative.

I do agree that seeing everyone together singing of all backgrounds was beautiful to see.
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It's just all the time though mate, and its losing its impact.

This tournament was largely great, it brought people together in the right way.

But yet all I'm seeing is people talk about a few morons and the overall positivity of people coming together under the flag regardless of our differences is being lost.

It just feels like certain cynical people are back to sowing division again, its really sad.
 
I hate Scousers said:
You are never going to end racism, if you are going to get your panties in a twist every time some moron shits on his keyboard and hits send on an anonymous platform you are going to be permanently stressed, I also wager you are going to have a bleak view of this country which I don't feel is merited.

I don't think drawing so much attention to it does anyone any favours If I'm being honest. I just feel it paints a bleak view of this country and sows further division. I don't think this is a racist country, I mean we definitely were in the past there is no getting around that, and of course a small fringe still are. But that's the point I'm trying to make here, I think its a very small fringe.

The human race will eventually evolve out of such petty prejudices, but for the moment we are simply hard wired to fear change and to fear what may be construed to be different. Same way as eventually we will evolve out of tribalism - though what that will then mean for competitive sports I have no idea as lets be real picking teams is just forming a group identity along tribal lines.

I guess the point I'm trying to make in this ramble is that for the time being there will always be a handful of racist people but lets also please stop pretending this is an exclusively white thing, there are also plenty of racist people of all ethnicities. It's part of the human conditions.

As a half romany gypsy I may be white but I've been on the end of racial abuse myself, I've been called pikey, gypo etc, more times than I care to remember. It's not nice but I just accept some people are fucking morons, I'm not here to change the world and I'm not going to become a victim.

The reason for this ramble is I just find it infuriating when I go online to the BBC, Sky, my MSM feed all I've seen last few days is people focusing on the few idiots who abused the players and the few hooligans who beat up the Italian fans its just all negative all the time. And its wearing me down.

The enduring image I'm going to be left with, is people coming together of all walks of life and all ethnicities singing Sweet Caroline arms in arm like it should be.
This was a great tournament and a great advert for this country.

I'm not going to sweat a handful of knuckle draggers on twatter take that away.
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This country is a lot less racist in part because people stood up and said this is not acceptable and educated or influenced a majority to join them, it's a process not binary and this is part of that.

In the sports sections there are a fair few articles on the sports side of things rather than social. If the other side is wearing you down leave it alone, I know I am.
 
I think that a lot of the negative reaction is because of being confronted with a truth that most people find uncomfortable, rather than the unpleasant Robinson alternative. It also shows how effective taking the knee has been - which is why some politicians don't like it. It's like the champion Gladiator in Rome becoming more popular than the Emperor. Emperors don't like that.

I hope that's why, anyway.
 
Col_McCafferty said:
It's is undoubtedly true that Brexit plus the rise of Trump has led to a resurgence of racism. That's not the same as saying all Leave voters and Trump supporters are racist, the majority certainly aren't, but there is definitely a link. Of course social media is part of the problem as well.

Plenty of white England players have missed penalties in the past, colour has nothing to do with it.

It's all rather sad.
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Resurgence or uncover, don't think trump /Brexit or Boris has created many racists but emboldened them.
 
Samisspurs said:
Marcus Rashford mural defaced after missed Euro final penalty

"The word “F***” was scrawled over the huge artwork of the England footballer, painted on the side of a cafe in Copson Street in Withington, south Manchester.

The words “shit” and “bastard” were also graffitied beside the word “Saka”, the 19-year-old player whose final penalty miss gave Italy victory."


So much emotional hijacking going on in this country, its getting unreal.
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But it’s not racism it’s disappointment at missing and losing
 
Nutter-Naylor said:
Totally agree.

What is confusing is the definition of racism. An unknown perpetrator writing fuck and shit on a Rashford poster was reported as racially aggravated vandalism. Speculative.
If Kane had missed he would have got absolute pelters from all and sundry. Nobody would have questioned whether if it was black England supporters racially abusing him.
A comedian making unfunny (but statements of fact) Tweets that the white players scored but black players missed their pens has led to him being cancelled.

By making every single thing have racial connotations has actually deflected from the real message.
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Spot on mate!
 
Guido said:
You have my answer to your question:

NO! I do not think there has been a massive overreaction.

If anything I want to see an even bigger reaction, I want to see these players murals at the end of every street in the country. I want to see people showing their support, love and solidarity for them.

Is that clear enough for you? Do I need to answer it a third time for you to understand it? Are you left in any doubt how I feel?
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So it doesn't concern you that the whole mural thing has no connection to racism yet thats how the mainstream media are presenting it, and profiting from clickbait? Heard of the boy who cried wolf?
 
Samisspurs said:
Marcus Rashford mural defaced after missed Euro final penalty

"The word “F***” was scrawled over the huge artwork of the England footballer, painted on the side of a cafe in Copson Street in Withington, south Manchester.

The words “shit” and “bastard” were also graffitied beside the word “Saka”, the 19-year-old player whose final penalty miss gave Italy victory."


So much emotional hijacking going on in this country, its getting unreal.
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Yea but before the word bastard it said black. 'Bastard' is normal abuse, 'Black bastard' are words of a racist. (unless im reading it wrong and it says block bastard, but that doesnt make much sense, unless the graffitier is a serious minecrafter)
 
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I hate Scousers said:
You are never going to end racism, if you are going to get your panties in a twist every time some moron shits on his keyboard and hits send on an anonymous platform you are going to be permanently stressed, I also wager you are going to have a bleak view of this country which I don't feel is merited.

I don't think drawing so much attention to it does anyone any favours If I'm being honest. I just feel it paints a bleak view of this country and sows further division. I don't think this is a racist country, I mean we definitely were in the past there is no getting around that, and of course a small fringe still are. But that's the point I'm trying to make here, I think its a very small fringe.

The human race will eventually evolve out of such petty prejudices, but for the moment we are simply hard wired to fear change and to fear what may be construed to be different. Same way as eventually we will evolve out of tribalism - though what that will then mean for competitive sports I have no idea as lets be real picking teams is just forming a group identity along tribal lines.

I guess the point I'm trying to make in this ramble is that for the time being there will always be a handful of racist people but lets also please stop pretending this is an exclusively white thing, there are also plenty of racist people of all ethnicities. It's part of the human conditions.

As a half romany gypsy I may be white but I've been on the end of racial abuse myself, I've been called pikey, gypo etc, more times than I care to remember. It's not nice but I just accept some people are fucking morons, I'm not here to change the world and I'm not going to become a victim.

The reason for this ramble is I just find it infuriating when I go online to the BBC, Sky, my MSM feed all I've seen last few days is people focusing on the few idiots who abused the players and the few hooligans who beat up the Italian fans its just all negative all the time. And its wearing me down.

The enduring image I'm going to be left with, is people coming together of all walks of life and all ethnicities singing Sweet Caroline arms in arm like it should be.
This was a great tournament and a great advert for this country.

I'm not going to sweat a handful of knuckle draggers on twatter take that away.
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But what would constitute a racist country? Also no one is arguing this is an exclusively white thing but racism is based on a system of power, and as I’m sure you’re aware the power rests with white people. Not only that but the level of racism is often mapped to the colour of someone’s skin (are you familiar with colourism?) and there is clearly a hierarchy with racism. Hoping that the human race will “evolve” doesn’t help those who are in need now.

As for the idea that this is wearing you down, forgive me for not putting you and your feelings first but why make this about you? This is how the conversation has been diverted for centuries, when faced with the uncomfortable truth many feel it is too much to consider, when the reality is that we need people like you to be engaged, to listen to what black people are saying and to try and deconstruct our own supremacy in order for real change to happen. The amount of times people say “but it’s not that bad here” or “it’s a lot worse in America or another country” is of little comfort when a brick is coming through your window – I don’t understand how white people feel justified in telling black people that they should be satisfied without knowing or understanding their lived experiences.
 
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Lesley thinks she has it worked out.



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