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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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Bazali said:
Amazing comment even for that poster!
Lmfao 😂
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tbonepremier said:
The discussion was not regarding the background of the owners of City, but about sugar daddies that invest in clubs vs capitalists who enrich themselves at the expense of supporters. I know which of the two I prefer.

PSG, Chelsea and City contribute to rising transfer fees, but those are clubs with owners that put money into football, money that trickles down (I do not belong to the economical right that believes in trickle-down-economics, but in the case of football, money that are invested at the top to buy players from the clubs below actually do trickle down). The owners of the likes of Liverpool, Man United and Woolwich, on the other hand, drains money from football. The problem for championship clubs and league one clubs is not the competition from or money from the clubs above, it is more so over-ambitious, dreamy and sloppy owners that overinvest at their level, and extremely hard competition to get to the next level (e.g. to PL from Championship or to CL from League 1).

"Everything about City is wrong" is a ridiculous statement. They do a lot of things right at City, with respect to how they run a football club. You can hate the owners, you can be jealous at the investments made, but your statement still remains ridiculous.
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I have zero respect for these clubs especially citeh they only put money into there respective clubs. So they may be good for citeh and Chelsea fans but the rest of football suffer. It's because of these clubs that transfer fees are so high. Citeh are owned by a state that basically generate revenue by sponsoring themselves through bogus companies. None of this is good for football
 
TylerB said:
Like I've already said, contracts mean little in football these days. That's just how it is. It helps us in regards to negotiating a better price for him but little else. At no point when he signed that contract did I automatically think that's it, he's staying with us for a further 6 years regardless of what we do or don't do as a club. And neither should anyone else have.
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Yeah, so why hasn't he gone then? If a club doesn't match our valuation he either has to honour the contract or buy it out himself...
 
TylerB said:
Like I've already said, contracts mean little in football these days. That's just how it is. It helps us in regards to negotiating a better price for him but little else. At no point when he signed that contract did I automatically think that's it, he's staying with us for a further 6 years regardless of what we do or don't do as a club. And neither should anyone else have.
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What it does mean is that City have to make a bid that we find acceptable, if they don't do that then he can sulk as much as he likes, he'll still be a Spurs prisoner player.

It means that if we decide we want to make a stand then we can make him stay and rot in the U23's if we want. I'm sure Levy won't do that, but we could.

In this kind of scenario the player usually gets what he wants eventually, but that doesn't mean that his contract means nothing, else he'd already be driving up to Manchester in his boyhood City shirt as we type (actually he might be doing that...)
 
ArtyB said:
Yeah, so why hasn't he gone then? If a club doesn't match our valuation he either has to honour the contract or buy it out himself...
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But why would we as a football club be okay with keeping an unhappy player that we know doesn't want to be here? Football fans are the most fickle around. If he stays against his wishes but still bangs in goals he'll be forgiven to an extent. But the moment he has a bad run, or doesn't chase after a ball, there'll be hell to pay on the back end of this.
 
Airfixx said:
Whatever.... You musings here are muddy as shit and you've already concceded to playing devils advocate so what's the point.
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Well, you have already decided not to see my point anyway so what's your point then?
Btw, did you see the reaction of the Atalanta fans when they got to know Romero is being sold? They had posters in the streets calling him "names" etc.
My point was simple: in football, big fish eat smaller fish. Spurs sometimes are big fish and, on rare occasions, small fish.
I did not - as you and some others are insinuating - that I supported Kane skipping training. But did it come as a surprise? Not really.
I do want Kane to stay and would not exchange him for any money but when he's ready to take such drastic action I can't see it "healthy" for Spurs to keep him. So better to move on.

"No shit, no lotus."
- Thich Nhat Hanh
 
Guido said:
Can anyone contradict themselves more in one post than this? I think not.

Lack ambition = Selling one of the best Strikers in the World
Lack ambition = We must sell Kane so we can invest
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Methinks someone needs to look up the definition of "contradict". And when they are done with that (it's sad that I have to spell this out AND bring up this example as if it is novel) they should also look at Liverpool's example and results after Coutinho. Many more examples in the world of non-English sports as well. Shame you desire Spurs to be a one man team forever and that it is the only definition of ambition you and other legacy fans hold.

Guido said:
I'm OK with Kane leaving, I don't support Kane I support Spurs. I do think if he is to be sold then we should be getting a fee in-line with what one of the best strikers in the World with 3yrs left on his contract should command. If this fee is not stumped up then he's not sold and he should remain at Spurs. Simple as that.
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We should get a fee in line with what someone is willing to pay ie their ascribed value of a 28yo player with significant hx of leg injuries/time spent on the sidelines and their position as the only bidder/interested party. You know Guids, what the market will bear. Can't imagine Harry not showing up to training because DL has let this go so long would improve any offer. But I actually think it was done some time ago just like the Walker move.

Guido said:
I do also think that we look really slow when he's in the team, I want a high pressing team again, I don't think Kane can do that anymore, so is he a reason why we've been shit (the dinosaur's default tactics aside)?
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Perhaps you needed to tell others on this board this but I've been leading this choir for some decent amount of time my friend.

Guido said:
In line with the above, I support Spurs not Kane schtick, which means that I will NOT wish him well at a rival club, I hope his ankles give out completely and he never scores a goal for them. I hope he fails on every single level possible. You see by wishing him well you are wishing City well. Do you actually want to see City lift a Cup!??! What if we play them in another final again, you wish him well then, hope he gets to lift his Cup instead of us? Do me a favour!
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Then you never really loved the player but rather what he did for your club. Fair enough then. good of your to claim it though. Just make sure not to sing praises of love and glory when the next player does something good in your estimation. Just say "all praises to Daniel Levy and ENIC" and be done with it. I know a guy named Joan that might wanna have a word though.

Rather see City win than most others. Were you celebrating with Chelsea instead this summer? City are here to stay and their accomplishments can easily be rationalized as bought...plus, Pep.

Guido said:
For some players who have created their brand around being "one of their own" comes certain responsibilities on how to go about your business at your club.
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Harry didn't write that song and didn't cultivate the idea in supporter's minds. And he's been the model professional. He shouldn't need to while away his career in the Conference League to have your support you heartless bastard*. Perhaps if your boy DL hadn't run this club into the ground trying to save every penny when it was clear we needed investment he might still be here til the end. Just remember, your boy DL stood pat in 2018, got rid of the best manager we've had in ENIC's time here, and brought in the Dino for good measure. This ain't on Harry and he shouldn't have to suffer the caprice of your displeasure. You heartless bastard.


*jokes, of course.
 
Herclueless said:
What it does mean is that City have to make a bid that we find acceptable, if they don't do that then he can sulk as much as he likes, he'll still be a Spurs prisoner player.

It means that if we decide we want to make a stand then we can make him stay and rot in the U23's if we want. I'm sure Levy won't do that, but we could.

In this kind of scenario the player usually gets what he wants eventually, but that doesn't mean that his contract means nothing, else he'd already be driving up to Manchester in his boyhood City shirt as we type (actually he might be doing that...)
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You can't just keep unhappy players around at the club. Dressing room morale and spirit counts for a hell of a lot in football.

And if we go down that route and start playing him in the under-23 side for a season then we'll be lucky to get half of what we could have got for him this summer. What sense would that make?
 
Spaniel said:
What's a "primidone"? 😁
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Don't ask me ask the auto correct
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Herclueless said:
Agreed, but it would be pretty short sighted to just assume that the trajectory would only continue upwards, and Levy has long since been reputed for being tight with wages/transfer funds so lack of sufficient backing shouldn't have been a bolt from the blue either.

Point remains, he hasn't a leg to stand on even with his tales of a gentleman's agreement, City either pay up or piss off, we are under no obligation to make this as easy for them and him as possible, and right now it doesn't even seem like there has been a bid, let alone one rejected.

I also think a point that has been lost in all the furore, how shitty is it of him to not even have the decency to show up and speak to the new Manager in person? As far as I can tell we have not hassled him whilst he was focusing on bottling another final, nor whilst he was having his r&r in the Bahamas (paid for by his wages from THFC I should imagine) and during that time I'm sure Paratici, Nuno and Levy would all have been itching to talk to him and sort the situation out.

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Herclueless said:
Point remains, he hasn't a leg to stand on even with his tales of a gentleman's agreement, City either pay up or piss off, we are under no obligation to make this as easy for them and him as possible, and right now it doesn't even seem like there has been a bid, let alone one rejected.

I also think a point that has been lost in all the furore, how shitty is it of him to not even have the decency to show up and speak to the new Manager in person? As far as I can tell we have not hassled him whilst he was focusing on bottling another final, nor whilst he was having his r&r in the Bahamas (paid for by his wages from THFC I should imagine) and during that time I'm sure Paratici, Nuno and Levy would all have been itching to talk to him and sort the situation out.

Instead he waits until now to just not turn up with no heads up.

(All as has currently been reported, there may be more to the story that we are as yet unaware of)
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Modern technology surly means that the relevant parties have had many face to face conversations over the summer so the not meeting in the flesh is a non issue. You’re obviously pissed off when you talk about it being Spurs’ money that he’s gone to the Bahamas on and not his own dosh and those rivals really have seeped into your psyche when you say England were busy bottling. a World Cup final.... that’s usually Chelsea Woolwich talk aimed at Spurs!
 
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