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Transfers Summer 2021 - Transfer Thread

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Whether we are stronger will only manifest in the fullness of time, though I do get your point.

However, your last sentence is just a bit over the top. Last season we were effectively a win or three away from CL qualification, and that was after the wheels fell off midway through the season. We dropped a shedload of points from winning positions due to effectively stopping all of the things that got us into winning positions in the first place. Even if we only reach par on squad strength after this window, the coaching doesn't need to be "God level" to improve on that.

I can accept that certain teams around us appear to have strengthened 'on paper', but who is to say their players will be any better in strengthening them than ours will us?

Nuno appears to be coaching them well so far. It remains to be seen whether that will make the points difference to elevate us back into those CL places we crave.
The fact that Jose has gone will improve us anyway. At the very least Nuno will have us playing with a strategy and game plan in mind. If he can then utilise his man management skills, we are improved already.

hopefully the days of lumping it long , hanging players out to dry and deflecting blame left when the ego left the club
 
No, my friend you have that wrong. Perhaps this is the genesis of our problem and why you never seem to understand why a youth product won't make it and continue to overrate them. I've said it many times and in your haste you've even utilized it in one of your own arguments. You believe "youth player for Spurs = one to keep an eye on = future WC player" and I look at the player and give them a floor and a ceiling so I have an idea what their scope for improvement is...whether they are loaned or given a handjob by Zidane. Some players raise their ceilings ( see Harold F Kane, striker of Pep's Man City) but the vast majority do not. And to the aforementioned point that you 'made your own', it's the raw materials my friend.

Process only matters if there is truly a plan with clearly stated and measurable goals. Just rubbing your hands together and proclaim all that isn't success a process is a sham.

What's "a Lamela" worth? Was it a multiplicative penalty of our cost for Bryan or just additive?

No, he's got more guts than what I've seen from Clarke but he also hasn't taken an English league hit yet. So that may change. Last year Ferran Torres (young and pretty fearless in La Liga) had an interview about taking a hit. Early in the season he was bold, everywhere, taking people on. In the middle of the season he kinda disappeared for a bit after a particularly tough one. So we shall see with Bryan who is more dribbler (thus more opportunity for the hit) than Torres.
No doubt that when he plays he will get clattered more than once. Just the way he plays.
Maybe Harry won’t be taking the free kicks. Whether he is here or not.
 
City - Grealish
Chelsea - Lukaku
United- Varane, Sancho
Leicester - 3 of 4?
Villa doing good business
Even the scum have brought a few in in trying for others

Our business so far barely keeps us at the level we were.
I don't believe we have improved at all in fact.
Grealish improves City? They have Sterling, Foden and Mahrez there for fuck sake!
I do agree on United and Villa.
Leicester haven't upgraded at all. They bought 2 players, 1 who will be the Vardy sub (Daka), and the other who is nowhere near Ndidi when it comes to a DM.
The Scum have just gotten Ben White for 50M, that's an improvement but throwing money to the fire in the process.
People should stop thinking buying players all the time improves clubs. If we just buy dross like Vestergaard or Andersen, we've not improved, we've just barely gone sideways...
 
Nah, the trouble is believing everything you read no matter how crappy the source is.



18 days left of the window.

- Tommy - easy to close if that's the way we choose to go.... Lets not forget he got hurt at the Olympics which may have delayed things.
- ST2 needed (persistent noise on that front)
Right noise but no signing yet and there is reason to worry about the outcome because of the past. 18 days left but our season starts Sunday then wolves on the 22nd. Nuno needs all the help he can get and it's not helping if he still doesn't get the players he needs.
+ a tweak to the MF if rumours are to believed.

......Anything else is a bonus.

I'm calm.... But then again I don't listen the Ukranian podcasts. : P
But you do listen to rumours.
 
If we just buy dross like Vestergaard or Andersen, we've not improved, we've just barely gone sideways...
So you don't think either of those two starting would be better than Dier or Sanchez?

If we buy another significantly better CB then great, but if we don't, and are stuck with what we had last year (plus Romero of course) then for me we will have missed an opportunity to strengthen in an area where we are so poor that pretty much anything would constitute strengthening. As I say, ideally it's a significant strengthening, but if it isn't then a slight upgrade is better than none at all.

So that of course depends on whether you believe Vestergaard or Andersen would be better than both Dier and Sanchez. For me they surely can't possibly be as bad, and are sufficiently better to go for if there are no better options possible.
 
So you don't think either of those two starting would be better than Dier or Sanchez?

If we buy another significantly better CB then great, but if we don't, and are stuck with what we had last year (plus Romero of course) then for me we will have missed an opportunity to strengthen in an area where we are so poor that pretty much anything would constitute strengthening. As I say, ideally it's a significant strengthening, but if it isn't then a slight upgrade is better than none at all.

So that of course depends on whether you believe Vestergaard or Andersen would be better than both Dier and Sanchez. For me they surely can't possibly be any worse.
They are though. Vestergaard is slower than a turning bus, while Andersen is the very definition of average, which is why he was part of a Fulham side that conceded a shit load of goals and why he was there on a first place, since he was deemed surplus to requirements at OL. They're a sidegrade, while we should look at upgrades, the likes of Laporte,Torres,Skriniar etc. I don't have enough information on Lacroix because I don't watch german football, and when it comes to Milenkovic, he's at the same bracket (slightly better) as Vestergaard...
 
Right noise but no signing yet and there is reason to worry about the outcome because of the past. 18 days left but our season starts Sunday then wolves on the 22nd. Nuno needs all the help he can get and it's not helping if he still doesn't get the players he needs.

Like I said; I am calm...... No Nuno stress-face emoji's required.

Sure the Kane question mark is a pain the arse for the City game, but I don't want us shaping any big ST2 purchase solely on that game regardless... If Kane stays that will likely shape who that purchase may be.

I doubt Tomiyasu is gonna be the difference between us beating City or not.

But you do listen to rumours.

Not to the same indiscriminate extent you appear to be... No.
 
They are though. Vestergaard is slower than a turning bus, while Andersen is the very definition of average, which is why he was part of a Fulham side that conceded a shit load of goals and why he was there on a first place, since he was deemed surplus to requirements at OL. They're a sidegrade, while we should look at upgrades, the likes of Laporte,Torres,Skriniar etc. I don't have enough information on Lacroix because I don't watch german football, and when it comes to Milenkovic, he's at the same bracket (slightly better) as Vestergaard...
I absolutely agree that we should go for an upgrade like the names that you mentioned. The risk is that none of them materialise and we're stuck with what we have now. If that happens, it's not a question of Laporte etc, it's a question of Romero being partnered by Dier, Sanchez, Rodon, Vestergaard or Anderson. Personally I'd play Rodon, but if that wasn't an option for whatever reason, I'd prefer either of the latter pair to Dier or Sanchez. Yes, V&A maybe be 'the very definition of average' for many, but Dier and Sanchez are so much worse than average that it would still be an upgrade.

My main point is that if Levy or whoever decides that the primary targets are not going to happen, then some upgrade is better than nothing. Personally I believe V&A are better than both Dier & Sanchez, but of course you're welcome to see it the other way round, it's all subjective of course. :)
 
Like I said; I am calm...... No Nuno stress-face emoji's required.

Sure the Kane question mark is a pain the arse for the City game, but I don't want us shaping any big ST2 purchase solely on that game regardless... If Kane stays that will likely shape who that purchase may be.
We need a striker regardless of whether Kane goes or stays and it definitely won't do to run things down until the last day of the window.
I doubt Tomiyasu is gonna be the difference between us beating City or not.



Not to the same indiscriminate extent you appear to be... No.
Our rb options are Aurier, Doherty and Tanganga, so I would say getting a rb or two is important and who knows could be the difference in that game.
 
He didn't break Newcastles long standing record by scoring for Blackburn
The problem Newcastle had was they overspent and were spending with no real plan and were not developing young players to replace their first team players. Mike Ashley as much as they hate him at least balances the books and has failed to really make money at Newcastle to turn them into a good club again. They are now left with an outdated stadium and have a squad full of players with little value and further affected by Coronavirus.
 
We need a striker regardless of whether Kane goes or stays and it definitely won't do to run things down until the last day of the window.

This comment completely ignores the detail of what I just said on the matter.

If Harry hadn't been a dick in favour of an extra week at Disney Land; this aspect of our conversation wouldn't even be happening.

Our rb options are Aurier, Doherty and Tanganga, so I would say getting a rb or two is important and who knows could be the difference in that game.

I'd happily play Serge in the interim.... We've seen him have some cracking performances against big sides....

Btw, is there a game-changing RB you have your eye on?

If there was, I may be a bit more inclined to be impatient about that possibility, but there doesn't really seem to be anyone exciting out there getting the arm-chair scouts here excited atm.
 
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