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That first half was, tactically, a crime against our club's history. Long balls, not because we were being pressed, but a deliberate ploy to bypass midfield. Incredible. Any coach who can do that isn't right for us.

I don't think our squad is as bad as it has looked. There's a balance to be found. We need more players who can keep the ball and a bit more craft. Less Dele, Moura, more Skipp, Gil. Gio also needs to play, but he has to be central to be effective, not stuck on the flank.
 
I do find it somewhat funny thinking about all of the anti-Potter comments and sentiment from so many others, and now I think that 95% of supporters would take him in a heartbeat after these shambles.

Maybe there is no bad feelings between Spurs and Potter so that wouldn't be a hold up if we were back in the market at some point. The bigger problem I would see is now that Paratici is in the driver's seat and seeing the comments from Fonseca that Potter isn't going to be an option.


I was never anti-Potter. Good football, very strong manager from a coaching aspect. He's 100% a risk but one we need to take. I preferred him to the Conte option, though I would've taken Conte over Nuno in a heartbeat.

And Paratici should go when Nuno goes. We'll look like a laughing stock but can lick our wounds and thank god he's not been around long enough to do real damage. And this isn't knee jerk, I knew Paratici was terrible before he arrived, was praying the links to us weren't true, and devastated when he joined.
 
I was never anti-Potter. Good football, very strong manager from a coaching aspect. He's 100% a risk but one we need to take. I preferred him to the Conte option, though I would've taken Conte over Nuno in a heartbeat.

And Paratici should go when Nuno goes. We'll look like a laughing stock but can lick our wounds and thank god he's not been around long enough to do real damage. And this isn't knee jerk, I knew Paratici was terrible before he arrived, was praying the links to us weren't true, and devastated when he joined.
why?
 
I was never anti-Potter. Good football, very strong manager from a coaching aspect. He's 100% a risk but one we need to take. I preferred him to the Conte option, though I would've taken Conte over Nuno in a heartbeat.

And Paratici should go when Nuno goes. We'll look like a laughing stock but can lick our wounds and thank god he's not been around long enough to do real damage. And this isn't knee jerk, I knew Paratici was terrible before he arrived, was praying the links to us weren't true, and devastated when he joined.

I didn't mean to imply you were, more about how so many turned up their noses at him like we were too big for him. I liked him from the quality of his football as well, but I think the bigger appeal to me was his ability to get maximum performances from otherwise not very good players. I had no delusions about the state of quality in this team, so found him appealing that maybe he could get the best out of what we have and could grow with the position as we shifted dead weight with some better quality over a few windows.

As for Paratici, I'm now officially nervous but still maintain some amount of optimism as I think we made some smart transfer moves. What will send me over the edge, whether with him or any other DoF and Manager, is the inflexibility to adapt as the situation presents itself. Ultimately, if he decides that we are going to play a conservative, reactive, defensive type of football we will just continue to see more drudgery whether with Nuno or someone else.
 
Yeah, dead cheap Mourinho was...

:mourwhat:

Chelsea paid more to get AVB out of his Porto contract without paying AVB himself that we paid Mourinho in wages.

Look at our managerial appointments.
Redknapp - cheap from Pompy
AVB - unemployed
Poch - Cheap from southampton
Mourinho - unemplyed
Nuno - unemployed

Pattern?

CHEAP. Even if the wages weren't, the appointments were always the cheapest initial outlay.
 
Chelsea paid more to get AVB out of his Porto contract without paying AVB himself that we paid Mourinho in wages.

Look at our managerial appointments.
Redknapp - cheap from Pompy
AVB - unemployed
Poch - Cheap from southampton
Mourinho - unemplyed
Nuno - unemployed

Pattern?

CHEAP. Even if the wages weren't, the appointments were always the cheapest initial outlay.
Look, there are enough sticks to beat Levy/Enic with for being a shambles, but someone literally suggested that the common theme between AVB, Mourinho and Nono is that they were cheap.

It's not true, I'm not even trying to defend the owners here, just pointing out something that isn't true.

Nuno is cheap, shite and a massive cop out after the drawn out search, AVB was free yeah, wages wise I can't recall how they stacked up against his peers at the time tbh.

Mourinho though wasn't cheap, he was more easily attainable due to having no club, and cheapER than he would have been had he been employed elsewhere, but he was far from cheap.

If we'd signed Messi out of contract and given him £600k per week would he have been a cheap punt?
 
That first half was, tactically, a crime against our club's history. Long balls, not because we were being pressed, but a deliberate ploy to bypass midfield. Incredible. Any coach who can do that isn't right for us.

I don't think our squad is as bad as it has looked. There's a balance to be found. We need more players who can keep the ball and a bit more craft. Less Dele, Moura, more Skipp, Gil. Gio also needs to play, but he has to be central to be effective, not stuck on the flank.
Couldn’t agree any more with this (tactics and less Dele/Moura)
 
Look, there are enough sticks to beat Levy/Enic with for being a shambles, but someone literally suggested that the common theme between AVB, Mourinho and Nono is that they were cheap.

It's not true, I'm not even trying to defend the owners here, just pointing out something that isn't true.

Nuno is cheap, shite and a massive cop out after the drawn out search, AVB was free yeah, wages wise I can't recall how they stacked up against his peers at the time tbh.

Mourinho though wasn't cheap, he was more easily attainable due to having no club, and cheapER than he would have been had he been employed elsewhere, but he was far from cheap.

If we'd signed Messi out of contract and given him £600k per week would he have been a cheap punt?

I didn't say it made sense. But the fact is, Levy doesn't pay big money to get top managers out of their clubs.
 

He did a terrible job at Juventus and should never have been appointed. His first move when he comes to Spurs is to back Nuno for the job? Hardly a good sign. And he seemingly wants to continue the cycle of playing dull, passive football.

He's not right for this club. I'm certain everyone will think along the same lines within a couple of years.
 
I didn't say it made sense. But the fact is, Levy doesn't pay big money to get top managers out of their clubs.
Ok, that's true I guess, but not the point I was making.

The problem with Nuno isn't that he was cheap, it's that he is absolutely shite. So much so that Wolves, Palace and Everton all passed up on having him lead them this season.

Nuno is an absolute turd of an appointment regardless of cost, one that almost any casual observer could have looked at and concluded that it was a terrible idea. He could be paying us for the privilege of managing the club and it'd still be a rip off.

Our appointments since sacking Poch have been calamitous, but still Jose wasn't cheap, he's more of a disaster because he was so expensive, leaving Levy probably looking favourably upon Nuno for costing a pittance in comparison.

Once Mourinho was sacked, appointing Mason only made sense if we had something big lined up for the summer, in retrospect seeing as we ended up appointing a Brazilian hobo from the midlands, we should've just appointed the best manager available at the time.
 
Ok, that's true I guess, but not the point I was making. But it is the point I was making. Maybe compensation is payable in one go whereas salary obviously isn't.

The problem with Nuno isn't that he was cheap, it's that he is absolutely shite. So much so that Wolves, Palace and Everton all passed up on having him lead them this season. Totally agree. Didn't want him when he was doing ok at Wolves let alone when he stopped doing ok.

Nuno is an absolute turd of an appointment regardless of cost, one that almost any casual observer could have looked at and concluded that it was a terrible idea. He could be paying us for the privilege of managing the club and it'd still be a rip off. My brother wanted him but he barely watches highlights let alone full matches. It's the whole "ooh look, they beat Man City, he must be good" ignoring the tonking at home to Burnley.

Our appointments since sacking Poch have been calamitous, but still Jose wasn't cheap, he's more of a disaster because he was so expensive, leaving Levy probably looking favourably upon Nuno for costing a pittance in comparison. We don't know what the terms of sackings are. We're led to believe that we have to pay all outstanding wages, but I very much doubt that's true. On a plus note, might start to see a change in this scenario soon with shorter contracts initially before extended ones after success.

Once Mourinho was sacked, appointing Mason only made sense if we had something big lined up for the summer, in retrospect seeing as we ended up appointing a Brazilian hobo from the midlands, we should've just appointed the best manager available at the time. Genuinely think Levy thought he could offer anyone the job and they'd take it. Didn't see the obvious - that big names want big backing.
 
That was always Levy's wet dream. He would have paid double.
Probably, but for me it's not lack of investment that holds us back (even though there could be more of that...) it's a lack of brains at the top.

It's actually amazing to think how far and how quickly we progressed during the first half to 2/3rds of the Enic reign, was it all just pure luck??
 
Probably, but for me it's not lack of investment that holds us back (even though there could be more of that...) it's a lack of brains at the top.

It's actually amazing to think how far and how quickly we progressed during the first half to 2/3rds of the Enic reign, was it all just pure luck??
I don't think that it was pure luck. I think that Levy had a plan to get us to the top that has over all been executed well. But like most super successful and rich people he likes to think that his way is the correct way and thus struggle to adapt to the changing landscape around him. Levy did not for see the advent of the petrol clubs and the absolutely stupid amounts of money that they would be willing to funnel into their clubs. Levy's plan for success was built on bridging the gap to United, Liverpool and Woolwich. But it didn't factor in Chelsea being bought up by a exiled oligarch and City being bought up by a gulf state.

This happens in every business field. Someone comes along and innovates his way to the top and everything looks fine. But then comes some younger pup with some completely new ideas and he revolutionizes the field from under you. You'll still be rich and successful, just not as rich and successful as you planned to be.
 
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