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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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NDomBadBoy said:
You are clearly trying to justify Kane's shit performance by trying to place blame on the team, rather than Kane himself. Every Spurs player would do much better at City, not just Kane.

And no, I don't think he'll be dogshit at City from a goal contributions perspective. He will score goals just like any above average striker in the world would. It doesn't change the fact that he's not the best attacker on a midtable team.
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You're making stuff again. You're an absolute champ at it.

Kane is to blame first and foremost as he's a top player not giving anything like enough at the moment. That's both effort and actual product on the pitch. But I'm also not completely oblivious to the fact that we're a very average side with a lot of limited players and playing for a completely uninspiring manager. We're even making Son look ordinary at the moment. 4 goals in 12 PL starts for him this season is a poor return. In a better team than ourselves, he would be twice the player.

Do I need to write down my thoughts on paper and mail them to you so you finally get it?
 
NDomBadBoy said:
Why do you keep saying, "Kane will do much better at Man City." Lol. What Spurs player WOULDN'T do much better at Man City? Seriously, that comment isn't saying much. It's just another attempt to make excuses for Kane.


He's considered a top player until he's not. People were still calling Rooney at top player 3-4 years after his peak years but he never regained form. Hindsight, he was just an average/above average player after he hit his peak.
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Because he will do much better at City. Simple as that. He will find new motivation, which he's clearly lacking at the moment. He will also have De Bruyne and Foden creating for him. Not Skipp and Moura.
 
NDomBadBoy said:
Ok...

Still in denial.

That's fine mate.

I respect your the dedication to Kane.
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I'm speaking facts. I've made it pretty clear I want him gone. But you can't bring up his England record when it's perfectly respectable. On top of that it's only the last couple of years that England have actually been more than decent. Before Southgate they were worse than we are right now.
 
TylerB said:
I'm speaking facts. I've made it pretty clear I want him gone. But you can't bring up his England record when it's perfectly respectable. On top of that it's only the last couple of years that England have actually been more than decent.
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Ok well if you think he's been good for England over the last 6-12 months, then I can't change that.

Just like I can't convince the Korean fanboys that Son isn't world class and not on Salah/Mbappes etc. level.
 
NDomBadBoy said:
Ok well if you think he's been good for England over the last 6-12 months, then I can't change that.

Just like I can't convince the Korean fanboys that Son isn't world class and not on Salah/Mbappes etc. level.
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I never said he has been good for England for 6 months, 12 months... Again, you're twisting what others say. All I've said is that his record is perfectly fine, and that he has scored against some top International sides as well as many poor to average ones. That's it.
 
NDomBadBoy said:
Again, your dedication to Kane is respectable.

Keep it going.

He needs it more than ever from his fans.
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tv show no GIF
 
He's contributed a fair a bit to this absolute shit show this season. Shit attitude clearly not giving his all missing the start of the season knowing he's our only striker. So much for mr professional. However big a cunt levy is (and we know he's a massive one) you be professional like grealish was and you turn up for training and you give your all out of respect to the fans. Nobody would of begrudged him a move this summer. Ruined his legacy with us for me.
 
todd1882 said:
whenever folks say "So your saying..." or "Are you really saying..." you can bet someone is going to misconstrue or mischaracterize someone's argument to set up a strawman.

What I said was:

...and what I meant is that 99.9% of folks on this board would be doing exactly the same as Harry if not worse. Although many like to set themselves up as such on this board, football fans in general, and most humans are not the paragons of virtue that they'd like to project themselves as being...especially when trying to feel holier than thou in comparison to another.

So any of these words I've said and in the order I've said them is what I'm really saying. Name a player that didn't want to leave a shitty, losing situation when they had the option of doing so? Name me a human that wouldn't want to improve their living, work, etc situation if they had the option of doing so? Name me one that wouldn't be disappointed if external forces prevented such? The amount of money doesn't change these things.
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That's a comparison for certain jobs but not for those in the entertainment business. Can you imagine an actor walking on stage and deliberately getting his lines wrong and knocking over the furniture every performance. It's not just Tottenham that are his employers. He has a duty to the supporters. Don't you think?
 
People still underestimate the psychological impact of missing out on his last shot at a top club. A part of him will always hate that Levy denied him the move, and in general he won't be as happy as he was in the past because this will keep playing on his mind. I'm convinced that to be at you best you have to be mentally in the right place as well.
 
Footie said:
That's a comparison for certain jobs but not for those in the entertainment business. Can you imagine an actor walking on stage and deliberately getting his lines wrong and knocking over the furniture every performance. It's not just Tottenham that are his employers. He has a duty to the supporters. Don't you think?
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Of course your points are valid in respect of self improvement. However he is in a contract he signed.
 
ChrissyWaddleShares said:
instead of behaving as I would, or others of Joe Public, he’s being all passive-aggressive and - apparently - having a tantrum.
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Are you suggesting you wouldn't have done what he did this summer? I commend you if this is true however you could only name 1 person that's ever done it. There's probably a few more but that would NOT seem to invalidate my point. And to think oneself so different to the millions that came before is a conceit I do not have. So it's a criticism of Harry I cannot make and it would require witness to accept one's claim to such virtue.

ChrissyWaddleShares said:
However, I think (though I may be misinferring) that you are accepting of his behaviour ( tacitly condoning) as it’s what you believe others would have done?
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Yes, I don't condone the behavior but I do accept the reality of these things and this is how it is done. Would I prefer it to be handled in a more dignified manner? Sure. Will it be anytime soon? Probably not. Agents exist to get what their clients want. Quite frequently incentives of player and club are misaligned. Not a recipe for dignified proceedings. Hell we did all or nothing FFS. We hired Mou and some people round these parts cheered the moved FFS. Few can have criticism from too high a soapbox.

And it's not 'what i believe' at all. It's what actually happens. I really do have to accept reality. And I can also regret it wasn't handled better. Or I could not make a value judgement at all as i do with a lot of things that happen.
 
todd1882 said:
Are you suggesting you wouldn't have done what he did this summer?
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If I was him, on multi-millions? I can’t say, as I’m not.

However, I have been in a situation where I couldn’t leave and it sucked and - well - it’s not fair on those around you, so you get on with it until you can move on, don’t you? Likewise, I think I’d personally have handed in the transfer request - equivalent to letting the boss know you’re leaving, I guess, or handing in your notice without a job to go to, or turning down a job offer with better pay because it didn’t seem right - done all of those. Sometimes you just have to do the right thing, and to hell with the consequences.

It’s hard to understand as a fan - and I’ve worked in toxic environments and with people that can’t see the good around them - but honesty and decency are normally the best policy. Kane has millions who look up to him - an added pressure, I get it but he needs to suck it up and move on with his life. He’s still getting paid, he’s still the main man, he’s still got potential to break records, he’s still in all the cup competitions to there are trophies. Maybe he needs someone to help his thinking?

However, looking at the ‘senior player am’ rumours about Nuno, I’m guessing Nuno’s tactics aren’t helping!
 
Footie said:
That's a comparison for certain jobs but not for those in the entertainment business. Can you imagine an actor walking on stage and deliberately getting his lines wrong and knocking over the furniture every performance. It's not just Tottenham that are his employers. He has a duty to the supporters. Don't you think?
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Yes, and he's completely fulfilling that. The thing is I don't believe there is much difference to what we are seeing now to what we've seen in the past couple seasons. The only difference is there are no goals. Kane is playing as he's played previously (without perhaps that last bit of 'run though a wall' mental edge) but without the goals.

KaneDomBadBoy KaneDomBadBoy and sammyspurs sammyspurs have gone to great lengths to show that he might not be the player that many have thought. As sammy has said multiple times if Kane had converted one missed chance in all the games he's played but his overall performance was the same folks would be screaming WC. But nothing would really be different but a 1-2 degree angle of his foot.
 
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todd1882 said:
Yes, and he's completely fulfilling that. The thing is I don't believe there is much difference to what we are seeing now to what we've seen in the past couple seasons. The only difference is there are no goals. Kane is playing as he's played previously (without perhaps that last bit of 'run though a wall' mental edge) but without the goals.

KaneDomBadBoy KaneDomBadBoy and sammyspurs sammyspurs have gone through great length to show that he might not be the player that many have thought. As sammy has said multiple times if Kane had converted one missed chance in all the games he's played but his overall performance was the same folks would be screaming WC. But nothing would really be different but a 1-2 degree angle of his foot.
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Agree he has been in decline. That began before the Champions League final in my opinion. And only he knows how painful and debilitating his ankle injuries are. I think my issue is that he doesn't look like he deserves a place performing as he does.

I don't agree that his performance level fulfils his obligations to the club or supporters. The odd goal wouldn't do it for me.
 
Footie said:
Agree he has been in decline. That began before the Champions League final in my opinion. And only he knows how painful and debilitating his ankle injuries are. I think my issue is that he doesn't look like he deserves a place performing as he does.

I don't agree that his performance level fulfils his obligations to the club or supporters. The odd goal wouldn't do it for me.
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LOL

Been in decline???

He won the Golden Boot and led the league in assists last year, we should be so lucky to have all our players in a decline like that.
 
Igula said:
LOL

Been in decline???

He won the Golden Boot and led the league in assists last year, we should be so lucky to have all our players in a decline like that.
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Given the state of the club and his public utterances anyone with a brain would have cashed in.

Get in a new manager give him those funds and go again.

Its not hindsight. I said this in June.

Sadly Teflon Dan is lacking a brain.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Tbf Rooney's problem was he was playing professional football from such a young age. Quite often when players are getting regular league football at 17/18 their careers tail off earlier, ala Michael Owen. Not always of course, but it's hard to sustain a career from when you're 17 to mid 30's. It doesn't help that Rooney was awful at looking after himself, he drank alcohol, smoked, and regularly turned up to seasons overweight.

Now Kane was a late developer so shouldn't be burned out, and from all reports is extremely professional and looks after himself well. So I don't think that he should suffer those same issues. The build up of ankle issues could have had an impact, but it seems strange that he'd be done before 30, it's extremely early considering when his career got going.

I don't think we'll know for sure till he moves whether he is done, or just done whilst he's at Spurs.
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He’s far from done if he puts his mind back to it.
His problem is he believes he has outgrown Spurs and has mentally checked out. I was very wrong about him, because I genuinely thought that the personal accolades (PL top scorer of all time etc) would continue to drive him. They were all within his grasp. In fairness, they still are. He’s quite capable of still being in contention for the golden boot again, regardless of how shit he’s been because if he hits a purple patch he will score buckets.I just don’t see him doing this at Spurs because his head has gone here and he can’t seem to focus or even give a fuck.
Nunos appointment in the midst of his career crisis won’t have helped, because by all accounts he was one of the players who really bought into Jose.
But he really does seem done here barring a miracle.
 
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