Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

[RESPECT THE COCK]

Lends credence to your take as a possible explanation. Is this around the same time as our Vlahovic links?

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I don't know when the Vlahovic links first emerged, but I found this.

1 July 2021

With the guidance of Paratici and Espirito Santo, Tottenham have opened talks over a move for 21-year-old Fiorentina striker Dusan Vlahovic.

Dusan Vlahovic could becomes Nuno Espirito Santo's first signing as Spurs boss

Spurs' new director of football Fabio Paratici has welcomed Nuno Espirito Santo to Tottenham and has already eyed his first signing, with the club looking to recruit this summer

www.football.london

I know he can run, so there that.

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Yes, he can. And Conte described Sonny as a "modern player", so it would seem he likes players that can offer a little bit of dynamic movement.

In light of your theory, perhaps Conte has a similar misunderstanding with Kane and doesn't appreciate all that he brings.

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Dunno. Maybe it's my poor English, but he seemed to be suggesting yesterday that he prefers Kane over Salah. Salah can be decisive in any game, you see, but Kane makes the difference in training.

“Harry is a world-class striker. Every day that I train him I understand very well that he's a world-class striker. He's one of the best I've had the pleasure to train. He's amazing."

"I like to have him in my team. For sure Jurgen likes to have Mo Salah. But I like to have Harry in my team. He's an important player for us and my expectation was very high and to play an important game against Liverpool.

“Every time [Salah] has the ball he’s a danger. He improved a lot, I remember him when he played in Italy.

"Now he’s improved in an incredible way. Now I think he’s one of the best players in the world and in every game he’s very decisive.”

Conte makes "very strange" Kane admission amid slump in Tottenham form

Harry Kane failed to secure a Tottenham exit in the summer and has struggled to be his usual prolific self which has led Antonio Conte to comment on his recent form

www.mirror.co.uk

This could go either way but to be consistent with your take it would mean Conte wanted to see if Kane was playing the leverage game to, 1) get more money or 2) get DL to spend...or really leave. I can see a manager not wanting the uncertainty. Kane coming back seemed to affect performances somewhat.

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Dunno, but according to The Athletic, preseason training and an open transfer window give Conte the horn like nothing else. You can imagine how he might have turned up his nose at our lastminute.com MO. How can you prepare in those conditions?

Any reports of Conte EVER talking to Harry personally?

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Dunno.

 

[todd1882]

I don't know when the Vlahovic links first emerged, but I found this.

1 July 2021

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So it's over a month later then? Ok, by this time conte talks are 'off' and Harry is still behind his public stance. So this is when the public links to the player come out but surely we'd been negotiating behind close doors previously. I guess now is the time we'd need to see what and when the club had anything to say about Harry. Was the statement unequivocal or was it filled with mealy-mouthed words? Was letting the Vlahovic link go public a negotiating tactic with Harry, City, Fiorentina, and/or Vhahovic? Or did someone just do some old timey reportin'.

he prefers Kane over Salah. Salah can be decisive in any game, you see, but Kane makes the difference in training.

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Yeah, can't imagine he'd say anything else considering the current situation. but perhaps he doesn't like Salah because he doesn't work hard enough...of course that opens Harry up to the same criticism.

Conte makes "very strange" Kane admission amid slump in Tottenham form

Harry Kane failed to secure a Tottenham exit in the summer and has struggled to be his usual prolific self which has led Antonio Conte to comment on his recent form

www.mirror.co.uk

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Don't know what this admission was but I'm not trying to watch that vid on the mirror. I linked out but it's just a vid.

Dunno, but according to The Athletic, preseason training and an open transfer window give Conte the horn like nothing else. You can imagine how he might have turned up his nose at our lastminute.com MO. How can you prepare in those conditions?

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Sounds like this is going to be an eventful summer. Can't wait to see which force wins out.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Leave it BBLG , it's pointless, welcome to the Harry Kane thread 2021 on TFC

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Baptism of fire for me!

Wait?
You are shocked by Kane’s poor shot to goal ratio or impressed by Sons?

One thing a lot of our fans blissfully hop over is that for every time someone criticises Kane and compares him to Son, immediately people’s first reaction is to play down Son rather than laud him.

Why is that? Why aren’t you just impressed by Sons statistic, rather than shocked someone dared to make the comparison?

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By all means Son should be lauded, but the tone of that post was clearly meant to decry Kane, which in my opinion is wholly unfair when discussing all but this season in his Spurs career.

Also, can it not be argued that Kane has taken o more shots because he moves more intelligently, loses markers in tight situations more easily and gets shots off in unlikely situations more often?

I say this as someone who adores Son and thinks he’s probably now just as important, if not more important, to us than Kane.

 

[sammyspurs]

Baptism of fire for me!

By all means Son should be lauded, but the tone of that post was clearly meant to decry Kane, which in my opinion is wholly unfair when discussing all but this season in his Spurs career.

Also, can it not be argued that Kane has done the shots because he moves more intelligently, loses markers in tight situations more easily and gets shots off in unlikely situations more often?

I say this as someone who adores Son and thinks he’s probably now just as important, if not more important, to us than Kane.

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I think the level of Kane’s criticism is a reflection of his season to be honest.

Last seasons critique isn’t on the same level as this season, but the observations are still relevant.
Golden Boot doesn’t tell the whole story.

Salah scored one less, yet scored against Utd when they were 2nd, not 16th, and against City home and away plus Real.

Kane being seen as superior to Salah because he filled his boots against Maccabi Haifa, LASK and Brighton is nonsense to be honest.

There is a genuine perspective to be addressed, and not one single person would have a problem addressing it if Kane had scored some of of his 23 goals against the top 4, but lost out on the Golden Boot to Vardy who had scored all his against the bottom 12

Look at Sons goals to Kane’s and then tell me about intelligent movement and creating space etc

 

[sammyspurs]

Compare with the Kane one I posted earlier

And Kane is the seen as the world class one

 

[RESPECT THE COCK]

I guess now is the time we'd need to see what and when the club had anything to say about Harry. Was the statement unequivocal or was it filled with mealy-mouthed words?

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Did we make a statement? All I remember is Levy was supposedly raging about Kane's interview with Neville.

Don't know what this admission was but I'm not trying to watch that vid on the mirror. I linked out but it's just a vid.

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Oh, that. I only posted the link to show where I got the quotes about Conte's thoughts on Kane and Salah.

Antonio Conte has admitted it is “very strange” that Harry Kane has scored only one Premier League goal this season.

“It's very strange, no?” said Conte. “It's very strange. If you compare what he did in the past, this is very strange. But also in the past, in my experience, before as a player and then as a coach, it happens."

"I played with important strikers who, for a long period, didn't score. But my judgement about them didn't change. I wanted to have them in my team also if they don't score. Because if you have Harry Kane in your team, you feel stronger, for sure.”

 

[The Mercurial No.10]

Baptism of fire for me!

By all means Son should be lauded, but the tone of that post was clearly meant to decry Kane, which in my opinion is wholly unfair when discussing all but this season in his Spurs career.

Also, can it not be argued that Kane has taken o more shots because he moves more intelligently, loses markers in tight situations more easily and gets shots off in unlikely situations more often?

I say this as someone who adores Son and thinks he’s probably now just as important, if not more important, to us than Kane.

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Another IP ban from SpursCommunity?

 

[todd1882]

Did we make a statement?

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Don't know. Presumably we did.

Oh, that. I only posted the link to show where I got the quotes about Conte's thoughts on Kane and Salah.

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right. I'll take him at his word with the understanding that he does have a dog in the fight.

 

[RESPECT THE COCK]

Don't know. Presumably we did.

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This is all I could find.

When approached by Standard Sport for comment, Tottenham said in a statement: "Our focus is on finishing the season as strongly as possible. That’s what everyone should be focused on."

Tottenham release statement amid reports Kane has asked to leave

Tottenham insists all "focus is on finishing the season" amid reports Harry Kane has asked to leave the club.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Cranston]

Could be totally wrong, but didn’t Conte demand Kane not be sold? And that we finally tempted
him to join because he was impressed we held on to him?

Likely bullshit paper talk.

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

Also, can it not be argued that Kane has taken o more shots because he moves more intelligently, loses markers in tight situations more easily and gets shots off in unlikely situations more often?

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"Kane moves"
"Loses markers in tight situations"
"More easily and gets off shots in unlikely situations"



No part of you thinks he gets more shots off because he's usually 10-20 yards closer to the goal than Son/Moura?? No part of you thinks that Kane gets the green light to shoot whenever he wants because the club/fans always have his back regardless of how shit he is??

Who do you think would get more shots if Kane and Son/Moura switched positions? Kane playing way out wide on the LW or RW and Son/Moura player up top and centrally? What about if Hugo and Kane switched positions - who'd get more shots off?

Fact is, Kane took double the amount of shots to score 3 more goals than Son last season. This season, Kane has goal 3% goal conversion rate, outdoing his mediocre 13% goal conversion rate from last year.

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

Compare with the Kane one I posted earlier

And Kane is the seen as the world class one

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Son doesn't move as well as Kane and that's the reason why Kane gets more shots off... Kane's simply more mobile, faster and explosive than Son.

Also, when Kane loses the ball 25 times to Mura, it's because he takes risks and tries to make things happen. But when Son or Lucas lose the ball, it's because they run around like headless chickens. Isn't that right Deuterz ?

 

[RESPECT THE COCK]

Could be totally wrong, but didn’t Conte demand Kane not be sold? And that we finally tempted
him to join because he was impressed we held on to him?

Likely bullshit paper talk.

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I stumbled upon an article by the guys at The Athletic earlier. The gist of it is that Kane was not for sale, full stop. It's a long read so I'm only posting a couple of excerpts.

Optus Sport

sport.optus.com.au

First excerpt.

But the basic facts of the saga are as follows:

• Levy was furious with the way Kane tried to bounce him into the move at the end of last season.
• City offered five players in May and £75 million plus £25million of add-ons in June, then made no further bids.
• They were prepared to pay a fixed £100 million plus £20-or-so million in add-ons, but Levy refused to negotiate.
• Spurs fined Kane two weeks’ wages for delaying his return to pre-season training.
• With the two clubs not talking since late July, the move had been dead for weeks despite Kane’s hopes.

Second excerpt.

If this was a defeat for Kane, it is also a win for Levy. He had been insistent all summer that Kane would not be sold, especially not to another Premier League club. Those close to Levy have always known that this was not a negotiating position, but a firm commitment.

Part of Levy’s position was coldly rational. He knew this would be a bad market in which to sell a top player, and that Tottenham would always be better off keeping Kane for at least one more year. By the end of next season, they would either have improved their situation enough to convince Kane to stay long-term, or they could sell him in a more buoyant market for at least as much as they were offered in 2021. The fact that City’s only cash bid for Kane was £75 million up front with another £25 million of add-ons has effectively proven Levy right. There was nothing to be gained from selling the striker this summer.

The other part of Levy’s insistence on keeping Kane was personal. He felt deeply affronted by the conduct of Kane and his family throughout this process, from the leaking of Kane’s desire to leave and that Neville interview right at the climax of Spurs’ season in late May, through to Kane’s unauthorised absence from pre-season training at the start of this month (which cost him two weeks’ wages). Levy saw this as a challenge to his authority, which made him even more keen not to get pushed around. Maybe with a more delicate approach, Kane might have succeeded, but Levy was insistent from early on that he would not be giving in.

 

[todd1882]

This is all I could find.

When approached by Standard Sport for comment, Tottenham said in a statement: "Our focus is on finishing the season as strongly as possible. That’s what everyone should be focused on."

Tottenham release statement amid reports Kane has asked to leave

Tottenham insists all "focus is on finishing the season" amid reports Harry Kane has asked to leave the club.

www.standard.co.uk

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well, that's kind of a push. But you would figure our stance would have been stronger considering the no sale at any price stance that ultimately came to be. Wonder if Harry's interview toughened things?

 

[Cranston]

I stumbled upon an article by the guys at The Athletic earlier. The gist of it is that Kane was not for sale, full stop. It's a long read so I'm only posting a couple of excerpts.

Optus Sport

sport.optus.com.au

First excerpt.

But the basic facts of the saga are as follows:

• Levy was furious with the way Kane tried to bounce him into the move at the end of last season.
• City offered five players in May and £75 million plus £25million of add-ons in June, then made no further bids.
• They were prepared to pay a fixed £100 million plus £20-or-so million in add-ons, but Levy refused to negotiate.
• Spurs fined Kane two weeks’ wages for delaying his return to pre-season training.
• With the two clubs not talking since late July, the move had been dead for weeks despite Kane’s hopes.

Second excerpt.

If this was a defeat for Kane, it is also a win for Levy. He had been insistent all summer that Kane would not be sold, especially not to another Premier League club. Those close to Levy have always known that this was not a negotiating position, but a firm commitment.

Part of Levy’s position was coldly rational. He knew this would be a bad market in which to sell a top player, and that Tottenham would always be better off keeping Kane for at least one more year. By the end of next season, they would either have improved their situation enough to convince Kane to stay long-term, or they could sell him in a more buoyant market for at least as much as they were offered in 2021. The fact that City’s only cash bid for Kane was £75 million up front with another £25 million of add-ons has effectively proven Levy right. There was nothing to be gained from selling the striker this summer.

The other part of Levy’s insistence on keeping Kane was personal. He felt deeply affronted by the conduct of Kane and his family throughout this process, from the leaking of Kane’s desire to leave and that Neville interview right at the climax of Spurs’ season in late May, through to Kane’s unauthorised absence from pre-season training at the start of this month (which cost him two weeks’ wages). Levy saw this as a challenge to his authority, which made him even more keen not to get pushed around. Maybe with a more delicate approach, Kane might have succeeded, but Levy was insistent from early on that he would not be giving in.

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I can certainly believe that.

I do not get the impression that Levy ever makes a decision for footballing reasons and consideration of what’s best for the club. His motivations seem to be petty and related to his status.

He’s an arrogant bald dwarf.

 

[RESPECT THE COCK]

well, that's kind of a push. But you would figure our stance would have been stronger considering the no sale at any price stance that ultimately came to be. Wonder if Harry's interview toughened things?

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Levy was supposedly enraged by the interview. This is part of the reason we didn't sell Kane; so that all the world would know the size of Daniel Levy's balls. He also thought we could get a better price next summer when Kane is even slower. Apparently.

 

[RESPECT THE COCK]

I can certainly believe that.

I do not get the impression that Levy ever makes a decision for footballing reasons and consideration of what’s best for the club. His motivations seem to be petty and related to his status.

He’s an arrogant bald dwarf.

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Conte walked away from us because we did not share his ambition. He said that at the time. It looks like we told him Kane was staying and there was little or no money available for a rebuild. And he said fuck this.

So what has changed? Is Lewis going to give us a massive cash donation or have we decided to try to sell Kane? It's going to be interesting. Kane is here, Conte is here and the squad is still terrible.

 

[Igula]

Why did Conte walk away in the summer? The transfer budget, right?

Conte: "This squad is terrible, Daniel. I need at least £200m to knock it into shape. What's in the pot?"

Levy: "Maybe £30m. Other than that, we have to sell to buy."

Conte: "Right. Let's sell Harry Kane. Then we can start to build a better team."

Levy: "No."

Conte: "So there's basically no transfer budget. Goodbye."

Six months later.

Levy: "Antonio, I've had some time to think."





You think maybe Conte wanted to accelerate the cycle last summer? Remember he has only come through the door and has already told us that the level of this squad is not good.

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Hard to imagine that Conte's plan to remake the squad was to sell one of the few talented players we have and not have close to the money to replace and him remake the team.

It seems much more likely that Conte said I want 150m to fill the massive holes we have on this team and Levy told him sure we will sell Kane to do that and Conte said if you sell Kane then I need 250m to replace Kane and the holes.

There really is zero reason to think that Conte wanted to sell Kane at all and many reasons to think the opposite. It is a very odd amount of leaps you are taking to create this narrative.

 

[Igula]

Conte walked away from us because we did not share his ambition. He said that at the time. It looks like we told him Kane was staying and there was little or no money available for a rebuild. And he said fuck this.

So what has changed? Is Lewis going to give us a massive cash donation or have we decided to try to sell Kane? It's going to be interesting. Kane is here, Conte is here and the squad is still terrible.

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Selling Kane but only using that money and not extra money does nothing to help Conte, because we are worse off selling Kane and using his money to buy replacement players. He doesn't bring in enough on his own to fix the team.

 

[Cranston]

So what has changed?

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For the time being (and if we’re trying to be optimistic), we can only assume that’s he’s been guaranteed significant spend. Fortunately, we’ll get a very clear idea of whether or not that’s the case in January. I also do not get the impression that this is dependent upon Kane being sold.

If that’s not the case, we’ll, perhaps Conte’s ambition could be put on hold for 18 million doubloons and another jaunt in London. Levy always pays through the nose for his managers; it’s one area where he really does pay the asking price.

Of course, if he’s been lied to, he’ll just go full Gino Ginelli and fuck off pronto.