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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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I just want to remind everyone that Sammy's golden solution to our problems runs along the lines of:

Now that we're not playing with Kane as our only focal point, the fact that he's the best striker in the league doesn't matter and we don't need him.

Someone needs to send Conte the memo...

It already enrages him that Conte is clearly a huge fan. See his posts in the match day thread having a go at him for not substituting Kane, accusing him of lacking balls.

Yet another high reputation manager who can’t see what apparently he can… what a surprise!
 
I just want to remind everyone that Sammy's golden solution to our problems runs along the lines of:

Now that we're not playing with Kane as our only focal point, the fact that he's the best striker in the league doesn't matter and we don't need him.

Someone needs to send Conte the memo...


He’s not the best striker in the league though

 
Not if you watched him five years ago but you seem new

Seeing as I've been watching him since his debut, this seems like a rather pathetic attempt to once again ignore all the details which prove you wrong. 😆

5 years ago we had a better squad, with a coach who knew how to make them a threat from multiple positions. That's when Kane was busy smashing goals past Chelsea, City, Woolwich and everyone else we came up against.

You cheered on the sacking of that coach, to the detriment of the badge you claim to love.

It is biased. I’m biased to the badge,

No you're not. You're biased to yourself and your own inflated ego. I am biased to the badge, which is why I don't want us to lose one of the best players we've ever had in living memory just because he's having the first shit season of his career.

and as the badge has proven since 2016, we can win regularly without Kane.

No, we can win against lesser teams and occasionally scrape a good result against a better team. As the badge has proven since 2016, no-one is our squad has the ability of Harry Kane.

But you don’t care about the clubs record with Kane

Yes I do. You're simply lying because you can't answer my points. You tried tried same tactic with me 4 years ago, by the way.

Didn’t say he was crap for winning the golden boot I said he won it by scoring against crap but can’t do it regularly or perform well against the best teams anymore

But that's not true, since he scored against big teams in each of the last 4 seasons and did so only 4 days ago.

That’s the fifth manager you’ve blamed for Kane’s failures

No, that's just the fifth time you've tried to blame Kane for tactical limitations in the way the team was set up.

The question wasn’t about how good he is.

Yes, it was. For the past 700 pages that is exactly what you've made it about. You're just running away from the point because it becomes clearer with each post that you are wrong and have been the entire time.

But you don’t see the club, you see Kane in everything

No that's you mate. You're the one who blames Kane for the team's failures, for the coach's tactics and for the opposition's quality. It's because you dont really care about the club or the badge, you only care about the sound of your own voice on TFC. That's why you won't engage anything which proves you wrong and many actual fans keep putting you on Ignore.

You keep saying they don't want to discuss, but the only person who dodges the actual discussion is yourself. You remind me of someone I sparred with for years on Dear Mr Levy. He had the same obsession with the sound of his own voice, and when it became clear he cared about that more than the good of the club, he would use the same little tactics you're trying here.

My love of THFC is not in question, mate. In fact, it's precisely because I love my club so much that I don't want it to be plagued by the type of crap which you'd find on AFTV.

Your narrative here is no different than what you'd hear being yelled at Wobbie.

No it’s difficult for tactics to work when your target man is a bottler

But he's not. He's a multiple time winner of the Golden Boot, who scores more international goals this very year than anyone else in the history of English football.

It was my analogy and Kane is the driver.

Then your analogy doesn't work and I don't have to pay any more attention to it. The coach is the driver, and anything else doesn't make sense.

Yeah despite that, Kane isn’t very good against the biggest teams anymore

Despite him scoring against Liverpool 4 days ago and giving Son a golden chance...

Just like Dele isnt, and Winks isn’t but they played well the other day

Against one of the best teams in world football.

He’s not our only threat as proven by the record you dont care about

He was played as such by the coaches you won't acknowledge as being the drivers of the team.

And Kane will never win it again

Didn't you say that 3 years ago?

:contehmm:
 
Also rich preaching about my attitude towards managers from people who have blamed five of them for Kane’s failures

Rich preaching about your love for the badge when you cheered on the sacking of one of our best managers in decades and are determined to deny the quality of our best striker since Greaves.

I can play this game as well as you can. I just have better ammunition.
 
5 years ago we had a better squad, with a coach who knew how to make them a threat from multiple positions.
But the poor team, manager and tactics is why Kane was losing finals and semis back then too?

Seems like you’ve shit the bed again

You cheered on the sacking of that coach, to the detriment of the badge you claim to love.

Detriment? No, we ended with Antonio Conte

No you're not. You're biased to yourself and your own inflated ego. I am biased to the badge, which is why I don't want us to lose one of the best players we've ever had in living memory just because he's having the first shit season of his career.

No you don’t care about the clubs record without this player. I do


No that's you mate. You're the one who blames Kane for the team's failures, for the coach's tactics and for the opposition's quality. It's because you dont really care about the club or the badge, you only care about the sound of your own voice on TFC. That's why you won't engage anything which proves you wrong and many actual fans keep putting you on Ignore.

You keep saying they don't want to discuss, but the only person who dodges the actual discussion is yourself. You remind me of someone I sparred with for years on Dear Mr Levy. He had the same obsession with the sound of his own voice, and when it became clear he cared about that more than the good of the club, he would use the same little tactics you're trying here.

My love of THFC is not in question, mate. In fact, it's precisely because I love my club so much that I don't want it to be plagued by the type of crap which you'd find on AFTV.

Your narrative here is no different than what you'd hear being yelled at Wobbie.
This is all waffle

But he's not. He's a multiple time winner of the Golden Boot, who scores more international goals this very year than anyone else in the history of English football.

Difference between turning up against West Brom in the league and Utd in a semi final

Then your analogy doesn't work and I don't have to pay any more attention to it. The coach is the driver, and anything else doesn't make sense.
It does work, unless you blame Poch for Kane failing in finals and semis
As I pointed out above you just shit the bed on that one
Despite him scoring against Liverpool 4 days ago and giving Son a golden chance...
Yes I just answered that

Bergwijn doesn’t play well or score often despite doing that last night. See how it works.

Against one of the best teams in world football.

Yeah, and then West Ham came and they were nowhere again


He was played as such by the coaches you won't acknowledge as being the drivers of the team.

And they were sacked

Didn't you say that 3 years ago?

No I said he was declining, I didn’t say he wouldnt score against crap
 
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Well no, not really. Again, against Ajax we relied on a Moura miracle after being outplayed across two legs.

It's not like we were dominating them, or City for that matter. We got through on sheer determination.

None of this matters to the question of how good Kane is. It just shows that under Poch we were a formidable team.
Sure even when our midfield was shit and not dominating, our attackers Son, Lucas, Llorente got the goals by 'sheer determination'. None of whom were Kane. So we didnt need Kane to win big games. If anything Kane came back in the next CL game and we failed to score. Not all on Kane of course, but we would have been better off not starting him then.

So this myth that we cant win big games or score without Kane or that we only won games without Kane because he was rested vs bad opposition is just a lie.

Having said all that, I love the guy and hope he turns it around.
 
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Sure even when our midfield was shit and not dominating, our attackers Son, Lucas, Llorente got the goals by 'sheer determination'. None of whom were Kane. So we didnt need Kane to win big games. If anything Kane came back in the next CL game and we failed to score. Not all on Kane of course, but we would have been better off not starting him then.

I actually agree it was a mistake to start him, since he had been rushed back from injury and would have been better as an impact sub to change the game.

The fallacy is in assuming that just because we scraped by without him, that we were a better team without him. That's not true. We were just a good team back then.

So this myth that we cant win big games or score without Kane

Who said that? I never did and I don't recall anyone else saying it either. What I do remember is Sammy inventing a myth that this is what people are arguing.

or that we only won games without Kane because he was rested vs bad opposition is just a lie.

It's just the track record. Sammy wants to suggest that we played better without Kane so therefore we don't need him, and also that Kane only scores against bad opposition.

As a result, it pays to remember how many times we won without him when the opposition were bad.
 
Rich preaching about your love for the badge when you cheered on the sacking of one of our best managers in decades and are determined to deny the quality of our best striker since Greaves.

I can play this game as well as you can. I just have better ammunition.
Yeah you seem to have zero comprehension of regression

Poch regressed unless you think 26oys from 25 games and not winning a league game in the road is a reason to keep him

Poch isn’t the badge, so celebrating his sacking has no bearing on that.
My sentiment is towards the club, you’re still crying years later though
 
It's just the track record. Sammy wants to suggest that we played better without Kane so therefore we don't need him, and also that Kane only scores against bad opposition.

As a result, it pays to remember how many times we won without him when the opposition were bad.

We have more points per game without Kane than with Kane

That includes all the same shit opposition
 
Except of course we don't - our record without Kane playing with your ZERO other forwards is just as good as it is when Kane plays, as you've been told many times but seem to keep forgetting.

Yes we need another striker, but we will need to sell one of our attacking players Son / Moura / Bergwyn to get him in the match day squad, it's not that we play with only 1 recognised forward (just like City and Liverpool) the issue is that from our other attacking players only Son scores enough goals.

It really doesn't matter if lone striker Kane scores or not provided we win ... again see City and Liverpool if that's still not clear.

Except of course we do.

Playing without Kane we produced absolutely nothing. We fluked out a few wins thanks to a keeper error for a penalty, Son wonder goal and a fluke FK that was another keeper error.
 
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