Remember when the rumours were swirling that Barca wanted him even though we'd only just signed him?
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Remember when the rumours were swirling that Barca wanted him even though we'd only just signed him?
JT if you think negativity is the way to go then have at it .... might I politely suggest that if instead you post positively (even when the club does screw up) you will feel a whole lot better than if you let the bile and anger flow ....
Nobody wants to read endless anger and vitriol, especially when it's aimed at something they love, that has nothing to do with self awareness that's just human nature.
Consider that a life lesson that I have painfully learned ......
That's older than the reports that we kept our 50% sell on with the move rather than cash out now, hope the newer reports are true (in his general football thread)
After 2 games, Poch was continually pulling Ndombele off after 45 mins or 60 mins as he was just unfit - even after arriving for the start of the pre-season under Poch (which are notorious boot camps).
So even before Poch left it was clear there were big problems with Ndombele's willingness/ability to play 90 mins which Poch inventively said 'it might be 2 years before we see the best of him'.
Mourhino played Ndombele but his ability to finish 90 mins did not improve. Just 9 PL matches where Ndombele finished 90 minutes in 2 and a half seasons despite numerous starts is all on Ndombele. Nobody else
There wasnt a 'trust' issue. He didnt fit the system. Mourinho 'trusted' him most times.
Don't get me wrong- I'm not trying to excuse any bad behavior on Ndombele's part. I can definitely understand him being very disappointed in how it all went down coaching wise. One day you think you're being coached by Poch, and then effing Mourinho shows up.
But the point is Ndombele was failing badly under Poch, so its great to rewrite history to put it down to changes in coaches - but not borne out by facts
Mourinho was the best thing that happened to ndombele though. Someone who pushed him and didnt give up.
Jose's been gone a year.... This talk (and those stats) is of this season.
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Look I don't want to get into a larger argument about logic, but conflating your qualitative assessment of Ndomebele's performance under Poch with quantitative "facts" is nonsense. I respect your view but wish for us to be more precise with our language, especially when potentially using it as a tool to try and dunk on other people with.
The facts are about the number of minutes played in games under Poch and indeed number of matches he started but completed 90 mins in - over two and a half seasons. I'm not trying to dunk on people merely trying to put some facts into the debate
Ok well I do agree with some of what you are saying, but consider this: I can just as easily argue that Ndombele did not have the benefit of a full preseason in stepping up to a much faster and more physical league. That he wasn't judged able to complete 90 minutes during the first quarter of the season in which Poch was coach does not necessarily mean that he was "failing badly". There are tons of top players which take a half a season or more to adapt to the pace and physicality of the prem.
We don't know what would have happened if Poch stayed, nor is it really worth considering too much, but it does seem like he was struggling to adapt, and then completely mentally checked out when Poch was sacked. I agree with you to an extent but think its very possible Poch could have sorted him out in the end.
The rumour was that Poch resigned after the ECL final. He was burnt out and needed a break from football. Levy convinced him to stay; and backed him with 160 million signing players that Poch wanted. It is also important that one of the conditions of Poch staying was that Eriksen would also stay.
Of course, once the season started it was clear that Poch's head wasn't in it and he was unable to motivate the burnt out squad dealing with the disappointment of losing the ECL. Eriksen reiterated his desire to leave and that was the icing on the cake.
Mourinho had been in contact with the club over the summer and was waiting to pounce. To chance to get Jose was too tempting for Levy to turn down and the rest is history.
And the end of the day I suspect the falling out between Levy and Poch was down to one thing - Eriksen. Poch blamed Levy for not opening the checkbook and tying him to a new deal. Equally, Levy was pissed that Poch refused to move on and couldn't get a tune out of Ndombele/Lo Celso.
It's been slowly building for a while, but definitely the evidence is mounting that Americans are the best hope for THFC.
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Why do you refer Champions League as ECL? ECL stands for Europa Conference League. please don't remind me of that awful competition.
And this year as well the fatty produced at a better rate than all our cms. And even this year, its not about trust, its about the level of fitness required for contes system thats been the problem.
Im going to provide some counter evidence.
In interviews in french, Tanguy always comes across as extremely humble and a sweet, nice guy. Not as charming as Dele was … a lot more shy and reserved,.. but a nice kid.
Twitter was full of photos of him with fans upon his return, smiling and happy to be back.
I can’t speak to what the OL dans are saying. It might all be correct. But he’s not an obviously bad kid at all.
Without launching an Ndombele Defence League, none of those managers was likely to get the best out of him. Poch would have but his time was going south and he had just arrived in the country.
Mourinho was a disaster and was never going to like him.
Mason … lol.
Nuno lol lol
And conte doesn’t want players as expressive as Ndombele.
I don’t think he’s been perfect but it’s been a particularly tumultuous time for the club with some sad, dour managers for most of that time. Ndombele was a bad fit for the club but no one could have foreseen that after our CL final.