The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...
We have a lot of decent but not crap or really good players. Lots of 7/10 players. Then just Kane as world class. So any manager would do well to get us top 4 like conte did last season. Even that took Woolwich blowing it.
Oooo, don't say this, scott. Some folks round these parts are pretty temperamental. The prefer to focus only on the fact we had a good run and not the fact that Aresenal absolutely choked. But I'm fairly sure that were we not the direct beneficiaries of that choke that's all most on this board would have been crowing about like "Woolwich are a bunch of bottlers blah blah blah".
Love your optimism but I’d take 4th now.I’m a huge Conte fan, he has my full support and I still feel very confident of my pre-season prediction that we’ll come 2nd.
Football hasn’t been great this season but nearly every team has ups and downs during the year. At the end of last season I was absolutely fine with how we were playing and obviously the results that were following. It just hasn’t clicked this season yet but it’ll come, I have no doubt.
There are a few things I would like to see though:-
- The persistence with Emerson is baffling. He’s one of the most limited full-backs in an attacking sense I’ve ever seen, and that limitation is compounded as a wing-back.
We don’t see training, so it’s fair to say we don’t know how Doherty and Spence are performing, but both are infinitely better in an attacking sense than Royal, and suit our style much more. Looking forward to seeing how this impacts our team over the next few games whilst he’s suspended.
- A little confused by the alienation of Bissouma. Neither PEH or Bentancur have been bad this season, but I’ve seen enough of Bissouma over the last 2 seasons to know he’s superior to both. It’s not just that he hasn’t been able to muscle his way into the team, it oddly feels like Conte doesn’t fancy him at all.
- We need to keep Son as far away from our build up play as possible. His touch, ability to protect the ball and passing have all been utterly useless. I’d like to see his ball retention rate this season, I’d guess it’s one of the worst in the league.
Whilst it’s never been this bad, Son has always thrived playing high up the pitch on the shoulder. His off-ball running has always been his best attribute. We need him playing higher and to get Kane linking the play more.
- I have absolutely no issue with 3 at the back, I don’t think it means you play shit footy or have to be negative. We don’t have a CB pair good enough for a 2 IMO.
That being said, he needs to consider 352 particularly in tough away games. It again gets Son playing high and should add a little more control and resilience in CM.
Our wing-backs also have to be wing-backs. Too often they’ve felt like conventional full-backs in a 5 this season.
- Heavily related to the Son comment, Kane appears to be playing noticeably higher this season and less involved in our build up play. I wonder if he’s requested that?
This brings it own issue; both Son and Richarlison aren’t “creative types” or particularly effective in attacking build up play from wide positions. Kulu out and Kane trying to play on the shoulder is compounding our ball playing ability.
All that being said I meant my comment at the start, I see us getting circa 85 points this season and that being good enough for 2nd.
This is far from the perfect side and I think Conte is going to get the most out of them.
The EPL should just rename to OPECL
Ha. They definitely blew it & we took advantage of it. But really we shouldn’t have had the opportunity.
Kulu is playing on the right side, Son on the left. Richarlison is the only player who can replace either, but he hasn’t shown he is a better option than them.
Oh, so it’s a slight chance you reckon it’s a personnel problem then...
No, they don’t. Tell me how Guardiola or Klop have changed to fit his players’ best style. I’ll wait.
And this was exactly the narrative of most on this board until the day we actually did it. Then it became how awesome we were to overtake them...reality cast aside for self-serving narrative.
Yep. & then be surprised when we aren’t as good as the false narrative made us out to be.
Tell me a time Klopp or Pep have had to change? I’ll wait.
Speculation.
Definitely agree with this, the players purchased are ok but nothing special just functional.
We bought richo for £60M who looks pretty underwhelming i
Apparently Jesus didnt want to play second fiddle here, would've loved to have him. Certain people on here made fun of them for getting Jesus, don't think they're laughing now.
I see your point BUT City have never bought a £50m or £60m player except Grealish who has been ineffective so don't count him, it's their manager who picks who to buy.
This argument is been used before, is Bollocks. Don't believe it.
Jesus is a massive cunt with a permanent crybaby face. Richarlison works his ass off every time he’s on. Jesus also doesn’t want to be a bench option, so no, he was not going to go to the team with Kane and son.
I’m a huge Conte fan, he has my full support and I still feel very confident of my pre-season prediction that we’ll come 2nd.
Football hasn’t been great this season but nearly every team has ups and downs during the year. At the end of last season I was absolutely fine with how we were playing and obviously the results that were following. It just hasn’t clicked this season yet but it’ll come, I have no doubt.
There are a few things I would like to see though:-
- The persistence with Emerson is baffling. He’s one of the most limited full-backs in an attacking sense I’ve ever seen, and that limitation is compounded as a wing-back.
We don’t see training, so it’s fair to say we don’t know how Doherty and Spence are performing, but both are infinitely better in an attacking sense than Royal, and suit our style much more. Looking forward to seeing how this impacts our team over the next few games whilst he’s suspended.
- A little confused by the alienation of Bissouma. Neither PEH or Bentancur have been bad this season, but I’ve seen enough of Bissouma over the last 2 seasons to know he’s superior to both. It’s not just that he hasn’t been able to muscle his way into the team, it oddly feels like Conte doesn’t fancy him at all.
- We need to keep Son as far away from our build up play as possible. His touch, ability to protect the ball and passing have all been utterly useless. I’d like to see his ball retention rate this season, I’d guess it’s one of the worst in the league.
Whilst it’s never been this bad, Son has always thrived playing high up the pitch on the shoulder. His off-ball running has always been his best attribute. We need him playing higher and to get Kane linking the play more.
- I have absolutely no issue with 3 at the back, I don’t think it means you play shit footy or have to be negative. We don’t have a CB pair good enough for a 2 IMO.
That being said, he needs to consider 352 particularly in tough away games. It again gets Son playing high and should add a little more control and resilience in CM.
Our wing-backs also have to be wing-backs. Too often they’ve felt like conventional full-backs in a 5 this season.
- Heavily related to the Son comment, Kane appears to be playing noticeably higher this season and less involved in our build up play. I wonder if he’s requested that?
This brings it own issue; both Son and Richarlison aren’t “creative types” or particularly effective in attacking build up play from wide positions. Kulu out and Kane trying to play on the shoulder is compounding our ball playing ability.
All that being said I meant my comment at the start, I see us getting circa 85 points this season and that being good enough for 2nd.
This is far from the perfect side and I think Conte is going to get the most out of them.
