I thought the players were trained hard in pre season? Also everyone say we are running a lot more. We can’t be running a lot and conserving energy at the same time surely? The two are mutually exclusive, no?
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Manager Antonio Conte
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I’ve said for ages our biggest problem is our fan base, not all fans of course but we have a vocal minority that have a ridiculous and fantasy view of where we are as a club. I’m nearly 60, most of my time following Spurs has been bloody hard work, Conte is our best chance in a long time of winning something and consistently challenging.
He inherited an absolute shambles, I can’t think of another bloke who could’ve done what he has in the past 12 months yet we’ve still got people moaning.
Careful what you wish for
He inherited an absolute shambles, I can’t think of another bloke who could’ve done what he has in the past 12 months yet we’ve still got people moaning.
Careful what you wish for
Still allows the oppo to build momentum and get the crowd going thus heaping more pressure on us.
The problem is if you give away lots of shot opportunities eventually there will be a cracker that will go in, or a deflected shot as did happen vs Man Utd.
Wait until some of them rock up at our place especially chavs.
Certainly saves flogging the key men.
Excellent post!
Ok a loss is a loss , performance was acceptable, every thing is hunky dory, top 4 and a trophy is guaranteed this season.
Nah I don’t buy it.
A change in system / tactics could produce better football, there’s little denying that.
I don’t see anyone getting more points out of this side than Conte is right now.
This is not an exceptional squad, we have progressed significantly in the 12 months he’s been here.
The entitlement some people have about what we should be doing is a bit like them up the road when they were whining about not being top 4.
There’s a pretty clear dichotomy in this group right now;
1) those that think results will catch up to performances.
2) those that think performances will catch up to results.
I’m the latter. Why? Because we’ve seen some excellent performances under Conte towards the end of the last season. Performances where we looked resilient defensively, but could transition the ball from defence to attack quickly and open teams up with ease.
That there is the huge contrast between Conte and Jose and why those comparisons make no sense. Conte knows we have to be better than this, and has shown very recently he can get this team playing good football.
Jose never wanted nor evidenced that.
This squad is not exceptional, it still contains a number of mid-table players starting in the first XI. What we will be all season is an efficient side who accumulates points without ever being great.
How many times did we all say we were a better side than Chelsea the season Conte won the league there? This is what he does. He maximises the tools he has in terms of points accumulated over a season.
Maybe some of you want more than that. Me, I’m really encouraged by the progress we’ve made in his 12 months and whilst he does things that drive me insane (as has every Spurs manager in my lifetime), I can’t think of anyone better to progress our club further going forward.
1) those that think results will catch up to performances.
2) those that think performances will catch up to results.
I’m the latter. Why? Because we’ve seen some excellent performances under Conte towards the end of the last season. Performances where we looked resilient defensively, but could transition the ball from defence to attack quickly and open teams up with ease.
That there is the huge contrast between Conte and Jose and why those comparisons make no sense. Conte knows we have to be better than this, and has shown very recently he can get this team playing good football.
Jose never wanted nor evidenced that.
This squad is not exceptional, it still contains a number of mid-table players starting in the first XI. What we will be all season is an efficient side who accumulates points without ever being great.
How many times did we all say we were a better side than Chelsea the season Conte won the league there? This is what he does. He maximises the tools he has in terms of points accumulated over a season.
Maybe some of you want more than that. Me, I’m really encouraged by the progress we’ve made in his 12 months and whilst he does things that drive me insane (as has every Spurs manager in my lifetime), I can’t think of anyone better to progress our club further going forward.
We all knew that Conte coming on board didn’t exactly mean swashbuckling football. But it did mean he’d improve results and give us a better chance to win something.
He has improved results. Wednesday was a fucking horror show, but we were away from home at a ground we rarely win at, against a really good team. Are we that entitled to think we should always go there and win 1-6?
What we are entitled to is to see our team of top class international players making an effort and getting the basics right. We didn’t get that and it’s now up to Conte to make sure that doesn’t happen again. I believe he’s the right man to ensure that. But he’s not the right man to play thrilling football, just get results. If it means putting up with shite like Wednesday, I’m still in.
He has improved results. Wednesday was a fucking horror show, but we were away from home at a ground we rarely win at, against a really good team. Are we that entitled to think we should always go there and win 1-6?
What we are entitled to is to see our team of top class international players making an effort and getting the basics right. We didn’t get that and it’s now up to Conte to make sure that doesn’t happen again. I believe he’s the right man to ensure that. But he’s not the right man to play thrilling football, just get results. If it means putting up with shite like Wednesday, I’m still in.
OK, but it's too early in the season for the table to give any kind of reliable information.
How do you think we look as a team? Do you enjoy watching us play? Do you think the way we're performing is sustainable across an entire season?
You might genuinely think it is. But regardless of what a league table in October shows me, I believe my eyes. Chelsea are 3 points behind us with a game in hand and they sacked their manager a few matches ago.
Which sounds great on paper, doesn't it?
Which is why stats are only useful when subjected to scrutiny .. on paper we sound like an exciting team, in reality we've had a couple of matches where we've punished teams on the counter but otherwise been extremely boring to watch.
I'm not in love with the way we're playing, but I don't think the way we're playing merits as much worry as it's provoking. Personally think we've been fairly mediocre, but the players and coach have dug in and ground out results which were ultimately deserved in 7/10 PL games. Performances vs Fulham, Leicester, Southampton were ultimately good. Fairly comfortable winning away vs Brighton and Forrest. Worrying that we were crap in away games vs Chelsea, Utd, Ars and WHU. Think Kulusevski injury is a killer, he's our most natural link footballer and without him we have nothing to duplicate him on that right side.. an alternate for him is essential, whether it's a more central creative midfielder or a RW. We won't challenge for the league this year, no chance. But we'll be in strong contention for top four and hopefully battle for a cup. We're not a great watch most weeks, but we can be with Kulusevski in the team and improvements to wingbacks , midfield and cb positions which I'm sure is on the cards in coming months from within and the transfer market.
A very reasonable take, cheers.
In Jan, could we look to recall Udogie early, so Perisic can be rotation option for Kulu and Son instead?
Just fearful Perisic doesn’t appear to have the legs to be PL WB, but he may have the creativity to contribute in attack.
I'm the latter too. Partly because I don't really see any other options, and partly because Conte has been very open about needing more windows. Which implies he is committed. If the fans split and half of them boo his team at half times then we deserve everything we get unfortunately.
I'd finish out the year with lwb as it is.. think we'll probably see better from Perisic as the season goes on. Hasn't much history of playing 3-4-3 and the spacing seems very different to his wingback role at Inter. Think he's maybe our best option 3-5-2 and Sess for 3-4-3.. but every game is different.. we often put too much emphasis on the most recent one. Bissouma will probably improve as well.