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Transfers January 2023 Transfer Thread. The Big One

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Raumdeuterz said:
Agree to disagree on a lot of this. We won't really know until next season but I see a lot of the fundamentals there that weren't present for Leicester. I won't go in to detail on that as a lot of it as it's old ground, but that's my view. I certainly wouldn't expect them to dominate the league for any length of time, but I expect the platform to be there in the next 5+ years.

Signings like Porro will help us reach that same platform. Young, energetic, exciting. The only drawback of signing him that I can see is that he's very specifically tailored to the wing-back role and our uncertainity with the manager means it's hard to wed ourselves entirely to a 3-5-2/3-4-3.
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Don't get me wrong, it will really piss me off if they win it even if I do consider it to be a freak, and whilst I see a number of reasons to liken it to the Leicester season, they are doing it on a lot higher budget, from a much higher starting point, so it is no way near as gobsmacking an achievement.

If I were grasping to find a silver lining to the potential cloud, it would be that a PL win would make Arteta bulletproof for a good while, and the guy is an absolute clown of the highest magnitude. He who laughs last laughs loudest, and no matter what this year brings in the end, we will be laughing at that tit for many a year to come.

They will all be convinced that this is the result of his "process" rather than simply a perfect storm of good fortune, and they will be back to crying like little bitches next season when normal service is resumed. Seriously, who would have foreseen back in August that Chelsea, Liverpool, and City would all be having dreadful seasons by their standards?
 
Airfixx said:
Well I'd expect Arse fans to know better than us about the detail regarding the running of their club so........ (Who else did you think I was talking about?)
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Well they were wrong.

They put a young manager in place who had learned from the greatest manager in the history of the game, were incredibly patient with him (smart) and were decisive in targeting specifically young, technically progressive players who now form the core of the team. The recent strategy has been correct. They now have the youngest team in the league and are 8 points clear with this team.

Pre Arteta the strategy was not good & the critics of their structure then were dead on. Since then, the plan has been clear, suits their resources and identity & they've been patient with said plan. It is now baring fruits. This is the definition of a well run football club.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Well they were wrong.

They put a young manager in place who had learned from the greatest manager in the history of the game, were incredibly patient with him (smart) and were decisive in targeting specifically young, technically progressive players who now form the core of the team. The recent strategy has been correct. They now have the youngest team in the league and are 8 points clear with this team.

Pre Arteta the strategy was not good & the critics of their structure then were dead on. Since then, the plan has been clear, suits their resources and identity & they've been patient with said plan. It is now baring fruits. This is the definition of a well run football club.
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Even if they don't win the league; if this is sustained over time them perhaps I'd be inclined to agree with you.

WHam were percieved to be doing a lot right all of a sudden and now they're back in the mud as quickly as they began to sparkle.
 
KaneIsAble said:
There's a cult of positivity in this world that drives me up the wall. Wherever you go, whatever you do, the majority of people just can't handle thinking about negative stuff (bad news, failures, future problems) and just call you a whiner if you do.

You better not say the obvious negative thing otherwise it'll bring the mood down and everyone will judge you.
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There's a cult of negativity in this world that drives me up the wall. Wherever you go, whatever you do, the majority of people just can't handle thinking about positive stuff (good news, successes, future proofing) and just call you a Levy bot if you do.

You better not say the obvious positive thing otherwise it'll bring the mood up and everyone will judge you.
 
Airfixx said:
Even if they don't win the league; if this is sustained over time them perhaps I'd be inclined to agree with you.

WHam were percieved to be doing a lot right all of a sudden and now they're back in the mud as quickly as they began to sparkle.
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West Ham were playing fossil football under a manager who is good at making fossil football somewhat effective when you're an underdog. Pumping long to Antonio and relying on big Dawson at the back was never a blueprint to progress as a football club long term, nor was very stupidly investing huge money in transfers for David Moyes.

Woolwich aren't going to enter in to some domineering era where they're winning the league every season, they just don't have the muscle for it. But I'd be surprised if they don't sustain being very clearly a competent football team for a good while, the building blocks are all present.
 
Airfixx said:
Doesn't Dybala get waved about as an emblem of our failings (rather than ambition) in the trf market though?

......We get accused of pretending when such deals don't pan out.

The funny thing is that Arse can often be found accusing their owners of the same.
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I don’t think so?

Perhaps at the time, but it was the ridiculous image rights rather than fee.

Bullet likely dodged.

I think most of us are arguing at cross purposes. As we’ve discussed many times, it’s not the money per se, it’s the disconnect between the players we buy, the coaches we employ and the direction of the club.
 
Richard Arlison said:


This def looks done. Question is if they announce before or after the Final.
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Todd Boehly reading this:

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Cranston said:
I don’t think so?

Perhaps at the time, but it was the ridiculous image rights rather than fee.

Bullet likely dodged.

I think most of us are arguing at cross purposes. As we’ve discussed many times, it’s not the money per se, it’s the disconnect between the players we buy, the coaches we employ and the direction of the club.
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Dybala would have been a huge flop. My own issues with that attempt wer that the image rights were very well known (United had already walked away because of it) and it seems incredibly unlikely we were ever going to sort it in the timeframe left.

It felt like a false attempt to sign a player we were never going to get. And good, because we'd have been left with a complete white elephant, but still..
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Not sure it's Paratici's vision to play 3 at the back - Nuno came here and played with a 4, and a few of our other targets weren't wedded to the 3. I think it's more a case of Conte being the most gucci manager we could target by far and then tailoring everything around that.
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Nuno didn't want to play 4 at the back. He was mostly 3 at the back at Wolves. He was forced to because it was right after Levy had that bullshit announcement about Spurs getting their identity back.

The entire point of a DOF is to keep the system at Spurs consistent no matter who the manager is so we don't have to keep buying different players for different managers. I'm not saying Conte doesn't have an influence but it still needs to fit within what Spurs overall plan is (if we even have one).
 
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