To give himself a pay rise after this shambles of a season tells you all you need to know.
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Muggy Punters bending over for baldy.
And be in no doubt - that's what he thinks of us all.
I am just curious and I mean this as a genuine question now for everyone, Levy in, Levy out, fuck Levy etc.
I don't care where you stand, just a simple question that requires a simple answer, no goalpost shifting, no deflection, just a straightforward honest answer.
Ok, the question...
At what point does Daniel Levy's position become untenable to you as an individual?
Again, straightforward question, just want to know what everyone's breaking point is and get a sense of what it will actually take for different posters.
I don't care where you stand, just a simple question that requires a simple answer, no goalpost shifting, no deflection, just a straightforward honest answer.
Ok, the question...
At what point does Daniel Levy's position become untenable to you as an individual?
Again, straightforward question, just want to know what everyone's breaking point is and get a sense of what it will actually take for different posters.
I mean for people who are Levy Out does that mean when it happened?
It was the ESL for me. I just lost all respect for his values as a sportsman in that incident.
It was untenable after we wasted 3 months of the summer 21 window desperately lurching from one hapless managerial approach to another
Eventually landing on a bloke that had effectively been sacked by Wolves a few months earlier
The fact he is still here making more bad decisions than I've had hot dinners , only goes to show the state of this club
For me. Self imposed transfer embargo Summer 2018. (Unprecedented in any major European league, yet backed up by another one in January 2019) Despicable and Shameful
Gave him the benefit of doubt over Stratford and turned a blind eye to his admission he only got involved to make money etc. etc..
Shitting on the manager and the fans 5 years ago was the final proof he only uses our club as a means to further his non football related priorities.
Everything that's happened since has confirmed what I've suspected for many, many years.
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So the ENIC supporters, finally acknowledging the growing Levy Out sentiment, are now resorting to timing and recording the number of Levy Out chants during the game
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It’s fundamentally a pointless question because ENIC will leave when they decide to. There is no sporting depth that could be plunged, including relegation, that would see them walk away, whilst there is still money to be made.
My personal nightmare scenario is that Levy finds a way to head up a consortium which buys out Lewis, and we’re stuck with the poison dwarf for the next fifty years.
My only comfort being the remorseless passage of time and sweet embrace of eventual oblivion.
Edit: that said, to actually answer your question. My issue has always been their sporting incompetence, rather than the fiscal side of things. And this Conte stuff has put a nail in the proverbial coffin. They’re useless. It wouldn’t make a difference if they had City’s money. They have no idea how to win.
Yes sorry mate, I wasn't very clear in my original post to be fair.
For Levy out at what moment did you decide enough was enough.
1. Their best time to sell, financially, is about eight months ago.
2. Lewis could, and should, sack Levy as chairman while both of them retain their shareholdings. That would solve by no means all of the problems, but it would alleviate quite a few of them.
Whilst I agree that ENIC are ultimately in control and agree with your overall post in general; I would still like to know at what point his position would become untenable to people.
It would be interesting to know what people are willing to stomach in regards to Levy specifically and the ownership in general.
Do think there would still be " Levy Out " chants directed at our 111 year old owner
The tide of mass public sentiment is going to turn when it's clear the Poch miracle is over and those aren't heights we have any hope of climbing to again.
Exactly the shape of that moment is still hard to discern, but Kane leaving will probably be a major part of it.
We're still in the happy part of the ENIC era, that's the thing.
I think the tide has already turned tbh. A good few years too late, but turned it definitely has.
He may occasionally stem the tide with an odd rabbit out of the hat, but the genie is out of the bottle now and he ain't getting it back in.
Levy and ENIC have been exposed.
I think one mistake those that are favourable of ENIC make is the assumption that we have somehow been inoculated against falling into the bottom half of the table. That whilst we might not scale the summit, we will at least have it in sight.
Like you, I think things are going to get far worse before they improve. As and when Kane does leave, we will have a brutal time of it.
Yeah I agree mate, I mean best case scenario it all turns around again and this time we go one step further.
The chances of that happening under Levy however are incredibly small, almost impossible I would say.
I think he struck lightning with Poch the first time and I simply couldn't see that happening again tbh, especially considering since Poch; our recruitment and overall strategy on the football side of things has taken a nosedive, genuinely AWFUL overall.
So I am with you on this mate, personally I can't stand even the sight of Levy anymore, I think he's a megalomaniac and allows his own ego to interfere with the best interests of the club.
However, I can put my distaste for him aside if we manage to come up with some sort of sensible strategy going forward to improve the football side of things (never going to happen imo.)
I just don't think he can do it, I have no faith and I think you're right when you say things haven't TRULY hit the fan yet but it feels like it's quite literally right around the corner doesn't it?
We seem to be returning to being a mid-table club and when Kane leaves (and he will imo) then we are going to be fucked!
I just can't see us having the vision to replace his output as an individual player or rebuilding the team so it doesn't rely on his goals and assists because to do either of those things requires a vision and strategy.
The realist in me simply won't allow me to indulge in the cognitive dissonance it would require to believe Levy can turn this all around, the pattern of failure has repeated too many times.
I am a positive and optimistic person but I draw the line at what I believe to be toxic positive optimism.
My distain for the little twat started in 2007 it’s built from there with numerous missed opportunities, misguided decisions , trying to move to the Olympic stadium showed what little respect he has for the club
We know that we cannot compete with the salaries and spending of City, Chelsea and United. (Will Newcastle join the $ club?). Our competition is Woolwich, Liverpool, and now Newcastle.
There was never any intention from the owners to ‘do a Chelsea’ and spend unlimited money. We were going to do things the right way and spend sensibly. It is Levy’s job now to focus on reforms of the premier league to restrict the spending of the $$$ clubs to level the playing field.
So, in answer to the question.
Levy’s position becomes untenable when he fails to use his position and influence in the Premier League to enforce new rules on spending to ensure the competition is competitive. If Chelsea and City’s spending goes unpunished and, Newcastle are allowed to spend unlimited $$$ building a world class squad – Levy has failed and Spurs are no longer a top 4 competing club.
Oh I suppose burning English football to the ground in order to join City and Chelsea as junior partner also-rans in the European Super League was him just wanting everybody to play fair, eh?
People let Roman Abramovich break their brains 20 years ago. Snap out of it.
Well, I'd actually argue that Levy did a great job getting us into the 'Elite' clubs list. How would we all have felt had we been left out?
There will always be clubs that are wealthier than others. BUT, there should be salary caps, spending limits and rewards for using club trained talents. The investments should be going to young footballers and development; not spending $$$ on agents and underwear models.
Levy's statement at the end of the season will be tell tale. We don't want the hear excuses, we want to understand what he is doing to influence these reforms.