Management Next Manager Poll (poll reset 11/04/23)

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Exactly right according to Fonseca. Can we get Fabio "I love Nuno and negative football" Paratici out of our club, please. Really don't want anywhere near our manager search.

Paulo Fonseca says Tottenham's Fabio Paratici pulled out of deal to appoint him over his attacking football​

Paulo Fonseca says Tottenham's Fabio Paratici pulled out of deal to appoint him over his attacking football

Tottenham spent nearly two months searching for a successor to Jose Mourinho before appearing to settle on Paulo Fonseca; however, Spurs pulled out of deal just days after Fabio Paraticis arrival; watch Woolwich vs Tottenham on Sunday, live on Sky Sports from 4pm - kick-off at 4:30pm

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Quotes made by Fonseca:

"The agreement was done. We were planning the pre-season and Tottenham wanted an offensive coach. It wasn't announced but we planned pre-season players. I have some principles. I wanted to be coach of the great teams but I want the right project and a club where the people believe in my ideas, my way to play, and this didn't happen with the managing director [Paratici]. It's what the chairman (Daniel Levy) and the sporting director (Steve Hitchen) asked for: to build a team who can play attractive and offensive football and I was ready for that. I cannot be a different way. All my teams will have these intentions. Against the biggest teams, I'm not sending out my teams to defend near their own box."

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Paratici also didn’t give Sarri long enough at Juve (despite him winning the league).

Lazio now playing better football with inferior budget to Juve.

 

[Hampshire Spur]

What worries me is that even crystal palace have a better manager than us atm. Shameful. Been reading new manager choice is split between players, board and levy/patarici. Players want poch back apparently. Have a feeling potter might end up at us.

 

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This notion that our fans will be patient if we see a more proactive type of football is fucking bogus.

Sure some of us will. But a majority will birch and whine and start singing Levy out if we’re not winning most weeks even with a “decent ethos” of football.

AVB and Ramos both wanted and played a more proactive brand of football. Under AVB we dominated possession most games, played a highish line, tried to press, and picked up a decent PPG. But that was “boring”.

Ramos similar but slightly more verticale football, again always dominating the ball, front foot football, but lost our two main strikers and couldn’t score goals. Booo Levy out, Ramos gets the sack.

Let’s not fucking kid ourselves. Some of us would definitely be patient and buy into the right coach, plenty will start whining as soon as the miracle doesn’t happen after 5 games.

 

[Deuterz]

This notion that our fans will be patient if we see a more proactive type of football is fucking bogus.

Sure some of us will. But a majority will birch and whine and start singing Levy out if we’re not winning most weeks even with a “decent ethos” of football.

AVB and Ramos both wanted and played a more proactive brand of football. Under AVB we dominated possession most games, played a highish line, tried to press, and picked up a decent PPG. But that was “boring”.

Ramos similar but slightly more verticale football, again always dominating the ball, front foot football, but lost our two main strikers and couldn’t score goals. Booo Levy out, Ramos gets the sack.

Let’s not fucking kid ourselves. Some of us would definitely be patient and buy into the right coach, plenty will start whining as soon as the miracle doesn’t happen after 5 games.

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AVB was not progressive in the slightest. Wanting to keep the ball in itself is not progressive. LVG plays possession football but archaic possession football. Compare that to any Guardiola team where you have constant movement off the ball, fast, one touch play, and go from 0-100 in seconds. Under AVB we kept the ball and got it to Bale for a worldie. He had more than enough time to assert his style, instead it was dull + we were getting battered 5-1 or 6-1 by any half-decent side. Our 'decent' PPG was due to having the best player in the league who we got a record fee for.

Edit: Our PPG actually went UP after Sherwood took over during the 2nd season. AVB minus Bale making his defensive possession football work was useless.

 

[enfield1985]

What worries me is that even crystal palace have a better manager than us atm. Shameful. Been reading new manager choice is split between players, board and levy/patarici. Players want poch back apparently. Have a feeling potter might end up at us.

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Potter now being an ex-Chelsea manager should write him off. He would be our fifth ex Chelsea Manager out of the 13 Permanent Managers Levy would have appointed:
Hoddle
AVB
Mourinho
Conte

The other 7 Being:
Poch
Harry
Santini
Ramos
Jol
Nuno
Sherwood (Glourified Caretaker)

 

[Hampshire Spur]

Not sure of this kompany link either. Too early and too risky for top level imo.

 

[Tomo]

AVB was not progressive in the slightest. Wanting to keep the ball in itself is not progressive. LVG plays possession football but archaic possession football. Compare that to any Guardiola team where you have constant movement off the ball, fast, one touch play, and go from 0-100 in seconds. Under AVB we kept the ball and got it to Bale for a worldie. He had more than enough time to assert his style, instead it was dull + we were getting battered 5-1 or 6-1 by any half-decent side. Our 'decent' PPG was due to having the best player in the world who we got a record fee for.

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Always thought AVB read half the Pep manual. He got the high line, he got the spread out to retain possession part but as soon as the ball got into the final 1/3 the players remained spread and static and thus offered zero penetration. It was like he went to Barca school and left half way through picking up what you do in part 1 but forgetting about part 2.

 

[Hampshire Spur]

Always thought AVB read half the Pep manual. He got the high line, he got the spread out to retain possession part but as soon as the ball got into the final 1/3 the players remained spread and static and thus offered zero penetration. It was like he went to Barca school and left half way through picking up what you do in part 1 but forgetting about part 2.

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I dont think it was that sophisticated. He was an average Manager tbh. Even bale had to tell him where he should play.

 

[Matt1882]

What worries me is that even crystal palace have a better manager than us atm. Shameful. Been reading new manager choice is split between players, board and levy/patarici. Players want poch back apparently. Have a feeling potter might end up at us.

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[Matt1882]

I dont think it was that sophisticated. He was an average Manager tbh. Even bale had to tell him where he should play.

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Jenas once said AVB used to criticise players for leaving their position on the pitch. IE, they have a dedicated zone that they have to stay in.
I may be recalling it wrong too, but I have a feeling he didn't want anyone in the gym. All their fitness work was to be during on pitch training.

Bloke was a mug who winged a whole career. Now has a fuck ton of money to enjoy the rest of his life.
He's still only 45. Let that sink in.

 

[iz futbal]

Potter now being an ex-Chelsea manager should write him off. He would be our fifth ex Chelsea Manager out of the 13 Permanent Managers Levy would have appointed:
Hoddle
AVB
Mourinho
Conte

The other 7 Being:
Poch
Harry
Santini
Ramos
Jol
Nuno
Sherwood (Glourified Caretaker)

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Was Stellini part of Conte's coaching staff at chavs? If yes, lets count him too as he kinda is our manager .

 

[FightingIllini]

AVB was not progressive in the slightest. Wanting to keep the ball in itself is not progressive. LVG plays possession football but archaic possession football. Compare that to any Guardiola team where you have constant movement off the ball, fast, one touch play, and go from 0-100 in seconds. Under AVB we kept the ball and got it to Bale for a worldie. He had more than enough time to assert his style, instead it was dull + we were getting battered 5-1 or 6-1 by any half-decent side. Our 'decent' PPG was due to having the best player in the league who we got a record fee for.

Edit: Our PPG actually went UP after Sherwood took over during the 2nd season. AVB minus Bale making his defensive possession football work was useless.

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Depends what you mean by "progressive".

It was tepid, timid football, but it was methodologically forward-thinking.

Levy is always a sucker for a spreadsheet.

 

[Richard Arlison]

This notion that our fans will be patient if we see a more proactive type of football is fucking bogus.

Sure some of us will. But a majority will birch and whine and start singing Levy out if we’re not winning most weeks even with a “decent ethos” of football.

AVB and Ramos both wanted and played a more proactive brand of football. Under AVB we dominated possession most games, played a highish line, tried to press, and picked up a decent PPG. But that was “boring”.

Ramos similar but slightly more verticale football, again always dominating the ball, front foot football, but lost our two main strikers and couldn’t score goals. Booo Levy out, Ramos gets the sack.

Let’s not fucking kid ourselves. Some of us would definitely be patient and buy into the right coach, plenty will start whining as soon as the miracle doesn’t happen after 5 games.

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Exactly

 

[Deuterz]

Depends what you mean by "progressive".

It was tepid, timid football, but it was methodologically forward-thinking.

Levy is always a sucker for a spreadsheet.

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It wasn’t attacking. Which is what fans really want .. entertainment. Sherwood’s football was less progressive but people actually enjoyed it more as we committed numbers and took more risks.

AVB-ball was risk averse. I don’t know how forward thinking that is given all the ‘in’ teams play high risk football. We got torn apart by said high risk teams on a number of occasions under AVB.

Ramos was before my time so can’t comment. But fans will show some degree of patience to a coach who at least has us showing some degree of bravery, imo. I mean even AVB got a season and a half.

 

[Cranston]

This notion that our fans will be patient if we see a more proactive type of football is fucking bogus.

Sure some of us will. But a majority will birch and whine and start singing Levy out if we’re not winning most weeks even with a “decent ethos” of football.

AVB and Ramos both wanted and played a more proactive brand of football. Under AVB we dominated possession most games, played a highish line, tried to press, and picked up a decent PPG. But that was “boring”.

Ramos similar but slightly more verticale football, again always dominating the ball, front foot football, but lost our two main strikers and couldn’t score goals. Booo Levy out, Ramos gets the sack.

Let’s not fucking kid ourselves. Some of us would definitely be patient and buy into the right coach, plenty will start whining as soon as the miracle doesn’t happen after 5 games.

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The overall sentiment is likely correct, but we played terrible football under AVB.

The beginning was ok (I think) but most of the good times involved Bale. That was the thing he got right.

 

[Starks]

I've got a slight feeling that the reason we aren't going for Pochettino is because we the ones we want are currently in jobs.

If they simply aren't interested once the season ends, we'll fall back and go for Pochettino. In that scenario, it wouldn't surprise me if he rejects the opportunity.

 

[Starks]

This notion that our fans will be patient if we see a more proactive type of football is fucking bogus.

Sure some of us will. But a majority will birch and whine and start singing Levy out if we’re not winning most weeks even with a “decent ethos” of football.

AVB and Ramos both wanted and played a more proactive brand of football. Under AVB we dominated possession most games, played a highish line, tried to press, and picked up a decent PPG. But that was “boring”.

Ramos similar but slightly more verticale football, again always dominating the ball, front foot football, but lost our two main strikers and couldn’t score goals. Booo Levy out, Ramos gets the sack.

Let’s not fucking kid ourselves. Some of us would definitely be patient and buy into the right coach, plenty will start whining as soon as the miracle doesn’t happen after 5 games.

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Your general point here is correct.

But Ramos was gash outside of big games. He was actually really good in the bigger games, tactically spot on most of the time. We should have beaten United at Old Trafford and his run to the League Cup final and subsequent win is legendary.

He was showed up big time when Redknapp came in, in my opinion. Who not only performed against the bigger clubs in a similar manner but had us playing much better football with the same squad of players.

 

[Honest John]

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Always thought AVB read half the Pep manual. He got the high line, he got the spread out to retain possession part but as soon as the ball got into the final 1/3 the players remained spread and static and thus offered zero penetration. It was like he went to Barca school and left half way through picking up what you do in part 1 but forgetting about part 2.

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His Porto won the league scoring a record amount of goals. Sometimes it’s about the players at your disposal too. It was hardly surprising our attack got a bit stale when you lose a player like Bale. And end up with Clint fucking Dempsey.

Seem to remember his Zenit doing ok too.

AVB was not progressive in the slightest.

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Bullshit. His football was very similar to a lot of Pochettino’s.

Wanting to keep the ball in itself is not progressive.

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It’s a fuck of a lot more progressive than shitting your pants in your own third for 75% of games, which is what we’ve been doing for the last 3 years.

LVG plays possession football but archaic possession football. Compare that to any Guardiola team where you have constant movement off the ball, fast, one touch play, and go from 0-100 in seconds.

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Ignorant oversimplification of Guardiola’s football, which is often about patience and moving the opposition around. It’s not high risk, vertical football like Bielsa and that school.

Edit: Our PPG actually went UP after Sherwood took over during the 2nd season. AVB minus Bale making his defensive possession football work was useless.

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Yeah, Sherwood’s the best three month manager in the world eh ???

If you are going to go full Bantersaurus Sherwood, I’m really not going to take you seriously.

 

[FightingIllini]

This notion that our fans will be patient if we see a more proactive type of football is fucking bogus.

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I think what we've seen under Mourinho and Conte is negative, cynical football can't have the margin for error it needs in order to succeed at Spurs.

We've intermittently done very well under both coaches, and when we're winning and looking in control of games it's a fun game to watch.

But the moment cracks appear it starts a self-destructive cycle that would be less pronounced if we were going down swinging.