Ahh yes, the good old days when Man United were shite and Newcastle, Brighton, Leeds, Fulham, Brentford, Villa, Wolves and Forest were all in the Championship.
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Management Levy / ENIC
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Don't agree that the out side only see the bad, I think Levy has done some great things for the club but I want him gone, mainly as the football side of the club is a mess and as I near my 60s I hate the way the club is heading. We have get some stability , since March 21 we have had 7 managerial reigns and I am afraid that there are no excuses for that, none.
Other than yourself in a previous post , what others from the in side have mentioned the stupid position Daniel has put us in.
We were foremost a Football club, are we anymore?
This simply isn’t true.
Many of us are able to see the huge improvements that ENIC have brought about; principally around the stadium and the overall value of Tottenham as an ‘asset’. It’s self evidently there in our increased value.
I’m ENIC out because the stadium represents the end of ENIC’s vision. It’s the right time for them to reap the huge rewards they have earned.
With the stadium, they demonstrated an exacting attention to detail and refusal to compromise. I want someone to apply the same principles to our football team.
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That's fine - as I said, I was trying to keep it as simple as possible to show the different positions at as high a level as possible - I'm sure both 'sides' would have lots more that they would want to say on all of those points. That list wasn't meant to be a 'battle' between the two sets of bullet points, so I'm not saying they are equal - so if for that particular section the 'ENIC OUT' side has 10 times as many bullets as the 'ENIC IN' side in reality, so be it. I was simply trying to show the different 'focusses' of the two groups.
You're quite right. I was wrong.
I made an error thinking of the Leicester year.
Again, I don’t care. You are working under the impression I give a fuck about balanced discussion on this topic any longer.
That stopped months ago. If this was a battle you lot would be in the process of legging it for your lives with cavalry running you down.
Fair point. I am guilty of generalizing here. Not every person who is ENIC Out is guilty of not seeing the other side of the argument, but a vocal few on this thread fit that bill.
And for some reason I can’t tag posters, but there are many examples of posters not in the ENIC Out camp that point out the failures of Levy and the owners.
Has anyone on here been so wrong, for so long, With that amount of posts on the matter. Could have used that time to have written a war & peace length book. Learnt another language to praise levy in. Mastered the acoustic guitar to serenade Daniel. Painted a mural on his ceiling to his god. List goes onAirfixx you were right about Enic/Levy all along
Agreed. I feel better because everyone sees him for what he is & they see through him now. Sort of like he has been exposed on panorama & his reputation will always be ruined now. It’s common knowledge he is useless, selfish & out of touch now. Whether his fan boys like it or not. Same way a celebrity gets exposed & some of their fans still stand by them because they are deluded & wont hear a bad word against them. But everyone else knows mr levy is useless at the football stuff & is a greedy bugger who’s out of touch with the fans & treats him like crap.I know. Deep down I know you're probably right.
I just think that now the media have finally got hold of it and exposed him he's gonna find himself running out of goodwill even amongst his most fanatical followers.
I guess, what I'm really saying, the chance of him fucking off out of our club in the next 5 years has increased from 0.5% to 1.0% and that has given me something to cling to.
1 in 100 chance compared to 1 in 200 chance
Yeah the chances of him going are very slim but m feels like there is a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel. But we gotta take what we can get!
In terms of ownership, I would also happily see new owners - hopefully with appropriate resources and ideas - buy the club.
Failing that, (after all, finding someone with a spare 4-5bn isn’t easy) I would very much like to see Levy move right away from the sporting/footballing side of the business.
But in answer to your question, what are they doing for us now, I would say the building and marketing of a multi function stadium, and making us one of the biggest revenue generating clubs is insuring that we hopefully have the kind of resources that should insulate us from catastrophe that can befall clubs without those resources. They will also make us more attractive to potential buyers.
I know it’s groovy right now to say you don’t get trophies for having a great turnover, but you rarely get trophies without one.
You are attempting to have a grown up conversation with the site’s biggest narcissist. Nothing but massively long posts telling everyone how much he knows and how right he is. Trust me when I say that your life will significantly improve by not reading his self aggrandising shite.Brilliant. I'd love to think this was genius-level satire, but I assume it's genuine. Proving my point wonderfully throughout - thank you.
For his own mental health he should go. He doesn’t need the money & why put yourself through what’s coming his way. Sadly the ego can get the better of people like him as he doesn’t want to be viewed as a failure so instead stays to try to change the narrative about him.
I’m not entirely sure that this separation is possible.
Even when there is a DoF in place, and they have full independence to scout and coordinate players, it will always end up on Levy’s desk to sign off on any given player.
I think we are past the days where Daniel was shopping in the French league for a winning lottery ticket, but he will always have the final say. Unless, of course, that power is delegated to Munn. I’d be surprised though. From a basic governance point of view, I’d expect Levy to always *have* to be involved.
Angry jock is angry because he’s having to backtrack and is being proven wrong every week about everything.
I wouldn’t want to read stuff from people proving me wrong all the time either.
If it’s true that Levy always has the final say, what would be the point of a DoF? Scouts could just report directly in to Levy. Isn’t it more likely that Levy gives a transfer and wage budget for the window and it’s up to the DoF / Head Scout how that money is spent in collaboration with the manager and coaches?
Maybe you are correct, but I just don’t think anyone, even with the largest of ego, would overrule their team of experienced and knowledgeable scouting staff.
To coordinate all the leg work and get everything teed up.
I think with Paratici, more than the scouting, it was his encyclopaedic knowledge of agents and the dark arts. He was a charmer. He knew how to ‘get things done’. Looks like he might have been a little too good at it….
My assumption is only based on the fact that money laundering is absolutely rife in football transfers and the most senior executive is likely legally obliged to endorse a transfer and the relevant detail.
And the ego point is the argument that never ends with Levy. I think, at times, he has overruled advice given to him. Either in terms of wincing at budget, or preferring to go after multiple cheaper transfers, rather than a single high level one. It didn’t help that the one time we did go for the marquee signing in Tanguy, he turned out to be a joker.
I do think the balance seemed to be right with Paratici. But again, it was likely because Levy trusted him. Without that, we might be in for a few more years of meddling, unless Munn is granted the same access.
Having final budgetary sign off is ok, someone has to do it and it’s what he’s good at, but deciding who should be head coach, head scout, DOF, head of academy, coaching staff, football strategy through the club from bottom to top should be someone else’s remit now.
Levy did an ok job with this for many years. Plenty of mistakes but he made some good progressive appointments in all spheres of the club; we had people like Arnesen, Michael Edwards (albeit not for long), John McDermott, Alex Inglethorpe (and some other good academy coaches), DOF’s etc. And some bold head coach choices like Ramos, AVB, Poch etc
But the last five years have been nothing but really poor decisions. The academy, the scouting, the recruitment, the first team have all gone backwards having been on an upward trajectory the 16 years prior.
I think Levy has to be the guy who chooses our DoF, but then leaving that person with responsibility for everything else. If we have the appointing of the DoF to someone else, that would be someone Levy has employed anyway, so he’s always going to be ultimately responsible for someone’s appointment.
Not necessarily. There are owners who basically hand over day to day running of the football club to a chairman/CFO or whatever.
German clubs kind of function this way, some Spanish clubs, City, PSG, some French clubs. Chelsea under Abramovic.