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Everybody wants their club to be run the best it can.
Levy went with Mourinho & Conte to try to maintain top 4 but that approach went against long term planning.
Tbf though it kinda half worked short term.
People certainly weren't complaining when we were beating Woolwich to 4th only 12 months ago.
Now if instead of Conte we had employed a long term project manager but had finished lower last season would people have been happier?🤔 Now with hindsight maybe but I guarantee not at the time.

Everybody is holding up Brighton/Brentford as the well run clubs nowadays as they are the ones OVERACHIEVING.

Cast our minds back not that long ago.

Leicester were seen as the poster boys of overachievers . They even won a title ffs as well as the fa cup & regularly finished top 6 which was great for them. We were doing well at the time under Poch so probably didn't here the noise as much but a lot of talk then was about following the Leicester scouting model.
A few years later looks like they are about to get relegated.
 
le grand coq said:
Everybody wants their club to be run the best it can.
Levy went with Mourinho & Conte to try to maintain top 4 but that approach went against long term planning.
Tbf though it kinda half worked short term.
People certainly weren't complaining when we were beating Woolwich to 4th only 12 months ago.
Now if instead of Conte we had employed a long term project manager but had finished lower last season would people have been happier?🤔 Now with hindsight maybe but I guarantee not at the time.

Everybody is holding up Brighton/Brentford as the well run clubs nowadays as they are the ones OVERACHIEVING.

Cast our minds back not that long ago.

Leicester were seen as the poster boys of overachievers . They even won a title ffs as well as the fa cup & regularly finished top 6 which was great for them. We were doing well at the time under Poch so probably didn't here the noise as much but a lot of talk then was about following the Leicester scouting model.
A few years later looks like they are about to get relegated.
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Having a successful appointment for half a season is not a flex, stop making it out to be. Yeah fans were temporarily pleased (so what???) and Levy had a get out of jail free card for a while after fans were baying for his blood, but it didn't take long to collapse in on him.

Leicester won two major trophies, in between which their owner died and the club became a bit unstable. Obviously the likes of them, Brighton & Brentford will fall off because they don't have the money to maintain the level, even if they are well ran.

We do. We're a big enough club to consistently do quite well. All we've done since Pochettino is float aimlessly. But apparently instead of focusing on that you're all in on being another apologist mouthpiece for the club on the internet.
 
Col_McCafferty said:
I'd rather have had Leicester's last seven years than ours.

A PL title and a FA Cup against some top 4 finishes and some runners-up medals.

Yeah, looks like they're going down but they'll be back.
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Yeah & I understand that but let's be honest Pochs team could have won the title the very season Leicester did.
We collapsed at the end rather like Woolwich this season.
Sure we should have done better in the Cups. We got to a final under Mourinho.
 
Col_McCafferty said:
I'd rather have had Leicester's last seven years than ours.

A PL title and a FA Cup against some top 4 finishes and some runners-up medals.

Yeah, looks like they're going down but they'll be back.
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They're going down because they didn't/ couldn't sack Rogers, who had clearly had enough having had to sell players.
It would have been avoidable if they hadn't run into money problems and/or acted quickly when the coach lost interest.

I can think of at least 2 examples of clubs going down because they "stuck wiv tha manager and gave him time"
It doesn't work like that, most of them don't want time, they want to leave and be paid.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Having a successful appointment for half a season is not a flex, stop making it out to be. Yeah fans were temporarily pleased (so what???) and Levy had a get out of jail free card for a while after fans were baying for his blood, but it didn't take long to collapse in on him.

Leicester won two major trophies, in between which their owner died and the club became a bit unstable. Obviously the likes of them, Brighton & Brentford will fall off because they don't have the money to maintain the level, even if they are well ran.

We do. We're a big enough club to consistently do quite well. All we've done since Pochettino is float aimlessly. But apparently instead of focusing on that you're all in on being another apologist mouthpiece for the club on the internet.
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Fair points about Leicester👍.

No I'm not all in on being a mouthpiece for Enic. They could have done better in many regards but they also could have done much worse.
Do you remember Sugar?

You have to treat the new super money clubs pretty much as a anomaly. It's luck of the draw if one buys you. Did Abramovich not consider us?

So for one minute forget Man City, Chelsea & Newcastle who have totally skewed the modern game.

After Man U, Liverpool & Woolwich would you not say we are the biggest 'natural' club in the Country?

Have we not got the best stadium in the league?
Would you not say we have comfortably overtaken similar sized clubs like Villa & Everton?

Has this all not been achieved under Enic?

The problem is maybe not so much Enic although they could have done some things better but more that the corrupt/nation state mega money clubs have totally altered the landscape.

We ain't won the title since 61 that's a fact.
Enic probably came closer than any owner since then, even though the competition is now harder.
We have always been more of a cup team tbh.
So the only major gripe we can legitimately have is not winning a couple more cups under them. We got to finals including the Champs league ffs

Ok so would you take Brendan Rogers as manager if he won us a cup? He seems to do well early on, look at both Liverpool & Leicester.

I understand football is about dreams but also you need to be realistic.

Fact is In the last few years we have consistently done quite well.

This season has been a car crash/huge disappointment but we are gonna finish what, 8th in the hardest league on the planet. Ffs the way some people react we are 17th.
People need perspective

We have absolutely no devine right to win against bigger & wealthier clubs than us.
We never have had.
Problem is we are on a downward turn after Poch OVERACHIEVED.

Too many people thought we then became a top 2 or 3 club in the Country & was always gonna stay there.

Football ain't like that unless you have the best manager & are backed by a nation state.
 
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le grand coq said:
Fair points about Leicester👍.

No I'm not all in on being a mouthpiece for Enic. They could have done better in many regards but they also could have done much worse.
Do you remember Sugar?

You have to treat the new super money clubs pretty much as a anomaly. It's luck of the draw if one buys you. Did Abramovich not consider us?

So for one minute forget Man City, Chelsea & Newcastle who have totally skewed the modern game.

After Man U, Liverpool & Woolwich would you not say we are the biggest 'natural' club in the Country?

Have we not got the best stadium in the league?
Would you not say we have comfortably overtaken similar sized clubs like Villa & Everton?

Has this all not been achieved under Enic?

The problem is maybe not so much Enic although they could have done some things better but more that the corrupt/nation state mega money clubs have totally altered the landscape.

We ain't won the title since 61 that's a fact.
Enic probably came closer than any owner since then, even though the competition is now harder.
We have always been more of a cup team tbh.
So the only major gripe we can legitimately have is not winning a couple more cups under them. We got to finals including the Champs league ffs

Ok so would you take Brendan Rogers as manager if he won us a cup? He seems to do well early on, look at both Liverpool & Leicester.

I understand football is about dreams but also you need to be realistic.

We have no devine right to win.
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ENIC have achievements, which are all in the past. Now we're being overtaken by Villa and Brighton this season. We had one good 2nd half of the season to get 4th in years. Otherwise the actual football being played is atrocious. All you lot have is 'we built a nice stadium, Sugar, haven't we made progress?' because the reality on the pitch NOW is so bad that you have to look at the past. The progress halted years ago and now we're sliding back - behind Villa on the field itself.

It's not about a 'divine' right to win, its about putting ourselves in the best possible situation. ENIC don't do that on the pitch, we're a fucking disaster. I'm not even going to list all the terrible football related decisions made over the last 5-6 years because its all been done to death in here, but safe to say the competent side of our ownership ran dry years ago.

We'll still be hearing the same shit from you lot in 2-3 seasons when we're still not moving forward and still hovering between 6th/7th/8th.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
ENIC have achievements, which are all in the past. Now we're being overtaken by Villa and Brighton this season. We had one good 2nd half of the season to get 4th in years. Otherwise the actual football being played is atrocious. All you lot have is 'we built a nice stadium, Sugar, haven't we made progress?' because the reality on the pitch NOW is so bad that you have to look at the past. The progress halted years ago and now we're sliding back - behind Villa on the field itself.

It's not about a 'divine' right to win, its about putting ourselves in the best possible situation. ENIC don't do that on the pitch, we're a fucking disaster. I'm not even going to list all the terrible football related decisions made over the last 5-6 years because its all been done to death in here, but safe to say the competent side of our ownership ran dry years ago.

We'll still be hearing the same shit from you lot in 2-3 seasons when we're still not moving forward and still hovering between 6th/7th/8th.
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I agree they have made poor decisions.
One disaster season though doesn't mean clubs like Brighton or Villa have permanently overtaken us ffs🙄.

Did Leicester permanently over take us when they won the title?

Man U, Woolwich & Liverpool historically all far more successful clubs than us have all had seasons around 7th or 8th. Why shouldn't we?

Give me a good reason Why we should expect to finish above 6th 7th or 8th?

We have the 7th most expensive squad in the league right now so should finish 7th all things being equal.

We were OVERACHIEVING , now we are underachieving by a bit. Football is cyclical people need to understand that it happens to all clubs not just us.
Woolwich overachieved this season, Liverpool & Chelsea have underachieved.

Problem is some people thinking we have a devine right to overachieve every season.
WE DONT.

However if the board get their act together we hopefully get the right manager & recruitment to take the club forward & play good football.
 
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le grand coq said:
I agree they have made poor decisions.
One disaster season though doesn't mean clubs like Brighton or Villa have permanently overtaken us ffs🙄.

Did Leicester permanently over take us when they won the title?

Man U, Woolwich & Liverpool historically all far more successful clubs than us have all had seasons around 7th or 8th. Why shouldn't we?

Give me a good reason Why we should expect to finish above 6th 7th or 8th?

We have the 7th most expensive squad in the league right now so should finish 7th all things being equal.

We were OVERACHIEVING , now we are underachieving by a bit. Football is cyclical people need to understand that it happens to all clubs not just us.
Woolwich overachieved this season, Liverpool & Chelsea have underachieved.
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Leicester are a more successful club than us over the last decade, yes. They've won a Premier League and FA cup. I would swap in an instant with them, despite their relegation. They've reached the pinnacle of English football.

We have played dog-shit football since Pochettino, this isn't a one off season you fucking clown. We finished 7th the season before last, the season before that we clung on to 6th by about a point, due to sacking a coach mid-season. In these seasons we were closer to 10th than 4th.

We had ONE decent 2nd half of the season which got us 4th, and otherwise have been shit for years. But yeah, we should finish 7th all things considered, despite Brighton, Villa & Newcastle being teams ahead of us, all having far smaller wage budgets. CLOWN.

People need to understand that you're somebody's shit multi and not worth taking seriously, and should fuck off back to whatever main account people got bored of hearing from/have on ignore. Because these same garbage arguments that nobody falls for anymore were made from that account 500 times already, guaranteed.

Shit football, no direction, not a sniff of winning anything, managers sacked all over the place, DoF sacked for being a fraud, still no coach/DoF in place now, about to finish 8th or 9th, star player on the brink of walking out, and STILL this lot have the shitmunchers ready to bat for them.
 
I've been thinking.

If we do Leeds on Sunday; Leeds will be doing another Leeds.

However; Spurs will never do a Leeds as long as super Dan is chairman.

Be content in your mediocrity.

To dare is too Dear.
 
le grand coq said:
I agree they have made poor decisions.
One disaster season though doesn't mean clubs like Brighton or Villa have permanently overtaken us ffs🙄.

Did Leicester permanently over take us when they won the title?

Man U, Woolwich & Liverpool historically all far more successful clubs than us have all had seasons around 7th or 8th. Why shouldn't we?

Give me a good reason Why we should expect to finish above 6th 7th or 8th?

We have the 7th most expensive squad in the league right now so should finish 7th all things being equal.

We were OVERACHIEVING , now we are underachieving by a bit. Football is cyclical people need to understand that it happens to all clubs not just us.
Woolwich overachieved this season, Liverpool & Chelsea have underachieved.

Problem is some people thinking we have a devine right to overachieve every season.
WE DONT.

However if the board get their act together we hopefully get the right manager & recruitment to take the club forward & play good football.
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Hi LeParisien LeParisien
 
Kosher Kid said:
ParadoxI've been thinking.

If we do Leeds on Sunday; Leeds will be doing another Leeds.

However; Spurs will never do a Leeds as long as super Dan is chairman.

Be content in your mediocrity.

To dare is too Dear.
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Leeds doing another Leeds? And caused by Spurs? Who can never do a Leeds? But only if we do Leeds?

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Raumdeuterz said:
Leicester are a more successful club than us over the last decade, yes. They've won a Premier League and FA cup. I would swap in an instant with them, despite their relegation. They've reached the pinnacle of English football.

We have played dog-shit football since Pochettino, this isn't a one off season you fucking clown. We finished 7th the season before last, the season before that we clung on to 6th by about a point, due to sacking a coach mid-season. In these seasons we were closer to 10th than 4th.

We had ONE decent 2nd half of the season which got us 4th, and otherwise have been shit for years. But yeah, we should finish 7th all things considered, despite Brighton, Villa & Newcastle being teams ahead of us, all having far smaller wage budgets. CLOWN.

People need to understand that you're somebody's shit multi and not worth taking seriously, and should fuck off back to whatever main account people got bored of hearing from/have on ignore. Because these same garbage arguments that nobody falls for anymore were made from that account 500 times already, guaranteed.

Shit football, no direction, not a sniff of winning anything, managers sacked all over the place, DoF sacked for being a fraud, still no coach/DoF in place now, about to finish 8th or 9th, star player on the brink of walking out, and STILL this lot have the shitmunchers ready to bat for them.
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& Breathe 🤣.

I'm not praising Enic they have got things wrong in recent years just saying I can see why they made the Mourinho/Conte decisions even though I didn't like them.

All I'm saying is anyone else could buy the club but there is really no guarantee of success unless it's a corrupt state run entity ?
Would you swap Enic for Evertons owners? Villa have done well this season under Emery but I wouldn't swap Everton or Villas last 10 years for ours.
Historically they are both similar size clubs to us. I'd say we have overtaken them.

The fact we ain't won the lg since 61 is all that nasty man Levy's fault 😁
 
Here is a list of the most successful English league clubs. We are 7th way behind Liverpool, Man U & Woolwich for trophies (the real traditional powerhouses).

Look at the stats in black & white.
We have always had way more in common with Villa & Everton & been on a similar level to them rather than Liverpool, Man U & Woolwich.

However I would say we have overtaken them very comfortably under Enic ( bar Villa this season) especually with the new stadium.

So we give them credit for that.

Everton fans are the ones who should really be complaining. They are the biggest loser's in recent years since the demise of the more 'traditional' big 6.

We have more than held our position.

Take out the mega corrupt money new players City/Chavski/Newcastle.

I would say we are now easily the 4th biggest club in the Country & this was achieved under enics watch.


Unfortunately because we now also must compete against these super wealthy entities our natural finishing position in the league is probably still around 6/7th. So in that regard it hasn't improved. Everton & Villa (until this season) were the far bigger losers.

We have maintained our position. We surpassed it for a few years but as said football is cyclical.

The major gripe with Enic & I totally understand it, is not having a few more pots to show for the good years & their lack of planning recently.

The fact remains we should be finishing 6th or 7th nowadays which has always been about right(check the table) according to history.
What I will say though is that 6th or 7th now is rather like finishing 4th pre abramovich.

Those are just the black & white simple facts.

Thoughts on Enic don't come into.

The table below CLEARLY shows our standing in the game.
We are the 7th most successful club in the Country FACT. We would be 4th imho probably without 'new money' but still a long way behind the big 3.

So finishing about 7th is about right. We will have seasons better 🤞👍 & some unfortunately may be worse.

We all want to finish as high as possible but anyone thinking we have the devine right to constantly finish above 7th is nothing more than an entitled bellend.

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Raumdeuterz said:
Just noticed Shady finally made it on to the most ignored list! It took longer than everyone expected but finally the champ got there.
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Welcome to the club Shadydan Shadydan

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Airfixx Airfixx still top of the list, I notice 😄
 
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