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Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)

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Airfixx said:
I suspected it was the wrong move at the time as he was never gonna "totally transform" the way we played (as commonly insisted at the time) and the frequent "he's not that great defensively though" chatter was a further red flag.

CB was a way more practical (and point preserving) purchase at the time.

........I fear we're creating a square peg/round hole scenario for Udogie too.

.......I don't think Maddison is a great fit either.

I'm quietly hoping Ange surprises us here and does something few are expecting.



(People get so hung up about 3at the back... I think we should be sticking with it personally.)
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Such a ridiculously short sighted transfer.

Not particularly a good fit for an inverted full and really not a good enough dribbler to be a winger.

We can only hope Ange can train him to be useful in the system we play though and we utilise his great delivery.
 
Macch said:
Defensive deficiencies aside, why can't Porro play as an inverted RB?

In Ange's system, doesn't the RB sit in a midfield 3 behind the 5 attacking players? From that position, he's be in a prime position to pick out a cross, overlap with a one of the 8s or even have a long shot. He's capable of all three of these things.

This is an actual question. Seems like Porro operating from the MF like TAA did late last season would suit him quite well.
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Echoing the other reply, think he loses the ball too much with short passing and on the dribble. He's an end product guy, so if you have him in the team it's to get him on the ball around the opposition box. Good ball winners in midfield behind him, a defensively secure LB, and try to get Porro high and wide. Don't think he has any future at RW which some have suggested, it's a completely different position and I don't think he could play it.
 
Doc said:
Nothing about Kulusevski's game would indicate that he's more natural on the left wing.
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I meant he plays on the natural side to his favoured foot.

The right is more 'natural' to him as that's where has always played.

But from I see with Postecoglou, there is emphasis on the winger getting to the byline to create. Kulu needs to find the form he showed when he signed for us. He became too predictable last season cutting inside all the time. When fakes and goes down the line on his right he is unpredictable and that makes him lethal.

I fancy Gil to create more from the LW position. I've always said that's his best position.
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
4 CBs should get enough game time over the season if we do well in Carling Cup and FA Cup.
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It's not about simply the broad "4 CBs" view.... The devil is in the detail of what stage of their development they all are...

Assuming that 2 quickly establish themselves as first choice in the league (eg Romero & Tapsoba) you got two young vibrant players sat doing hardly anything from week to week when what they need most to maintain their trajectory is regular football.

No Europe shits all over the "they can play the cups" concept.


Again...... It's staring you in the face with Tanganga... And that's even with Europe and manager(s) playing three CBs!
 
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Doc said:
Ah he seems like a decent lad. Most of us have opinions, and we all get some right and some wrong. Fair play to anybody who manages to make a few pound on the side talking about a hobby.

There's some legitimate concerns about Vicario but he looks to be a talented keeper, a big upgrade for us in possession of the ball, and if he's up to the level it will have been a good deal that hopefully allows us to spend bigger on other important positions.
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We were never likely to get the best of the best, and especially not someone on Lloris' level, the main thing is that Vicario has a wider skillset so we can accept that he may not be world class at any one thing. Also, he was just £19m, if he flops he won't be a weight around the club's ankles like Ndombele and co.
 
Doc said:
Ah he seems like a decent lad. Most of us have opinions, and we all get some right and some wrong. Fair play to anybody who manages to make a few pound on the side talking about a hobby.

There's some legitimate concerns about Vicario but he looks to be a talented keeper, a big upgrade for us in possession of the ball, and if he's up to the level it will have been a good deal that hopefully allows us to spend bigger on other important positions.
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He doesn't come across that way on the fan debate, he constantly tries to antagonise the fans of other clubs and ends up getting completely owned by them.
 
People harsh on Bremer, he was actually a lot better for Juventus this season than I thought he'd be. He's a very basic ball player, but can be an absolutely trojan defender, and maybe the best cb in Europe attacking set pieces. I don't think he's the best fit for us now, and wouldn't spend north of 45m on him, but he's a good player and shouldn't really be laughed of like he has been. Horror show vs Napoli probably dented many opinions of him.
 
KaneIsAble said:
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Vicario
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Emerson
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Romero
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VanDenVen
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Udogie
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Skipp
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Vicario
Emerson Romero VanDenVen Udogie
Skipp Bissouma
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Kulu Kane Son
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This is my thinking. Ange doesn't like his FBs to bomb up and down, so one of Emerson and Davies HAS to play. Emerson is better than Davies IMO and Davies was more of a "marauding CB" in Conte's team.

Skipp is IMO the best tackler and defensive screen we have, I'd have him as a more static out and out DM, sort of orbitting Bissouma to give him passing options and put in defensive legwork.

Biss would be more box to box, Maddison needs to be solo no10, because the space is needed for him and Kane to interchange positions in the build up. He could have a similar rotation with Kulu.
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Udogie is completely wasted as an inverted full back.

Wonder what we do with our wing backs now...shame that Conte quit because they would have cooked under him.
 
Tomo said:
At Leicester he often plays as a false winger drifting from wide channels centrally, similar to how Foden or David Silva operate, in between the lines and between wide and central.

433 he either plays as the most advanced midfielder or as a false winger which is how he was used in Leicester. I would be tempted to say long term Kulusevski is the player most at risk from Maddison.
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That's kind of how O'Riley plays for Celtic. I actually think he will be a good fit from a possession attacking perspective, my main worry is from a pressing perspective, as O'Riley pushes up and presses with the striker. I did go on a Leicester forum and apparently his work rate and determination have vastly improved in the last 2 years though.
 
Shadydan said:
Udogie is completely wasted as an incert d full back.

Wonder what we do with our wing backs now...shame that Conte quit because they would have cooked under him.
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He'd be monstrous as an inverted full back. Hes basically a box to box midfielder shoved out wide.

In fact, he's probably the only full back we have truly suited to it. Though I think Emersons best games for us were when he came central.

Porro, Perisic and Davies should be worried. Even Spence, I feel could make it work.
 
Airfixx said:
It's not about simply the broad "4 CBs" view.... The devil is in the detail of what stage of their development they all are...

Assuming that 2 quickly establish themselves as first choice in the league (eg Romero & Tapsoba) you got to young vibrant players sat doing hardly anything from week to week when what they need most to maintain their trajectory is regular football.

No Europe shits all over the "they can play the cups" concept.


Again...... It's staring you in the face with Tanganga... And that's even with Europe and manager(s) playing three CBs!
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That's a fair point. Perhaps the 3rd CB can be an experience reliable one. Anyone you have in mind?
 
Starks said:
He'd be monstrous as an inverted full back. Hes basically a box to box midfielder shoved out wide.

In fact, he's probably the only full back we have truly suited to it. Though I think Emersons best games for us were when he came central.

Porro, Perisic and Davies should be worried. Even Spence, I feel could make it work.
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Inverted full backs don't play b2b, they come in field and hold shape, they are essentially deep lying playmakers (think Zinchenko)

Udogie has never played that role in his life, he's an aggressive touch line wing back

Maybe Ange will deploy him as a winger, or change his formation so he has an overlapping full back but he's certainly not an inverted full back
 
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