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I know everyone wants us to get two CBs, but where is the playing time? Romero is a starter unless he gets hurt. I can't see either VDV or Tapsoba coming in to be a backup.
Romero could be injured/on international duty)loss of form.
Tapsoba could come in and convince Ange he's a starter over Romero.
VDV doesn't really have much more competition than Ben Davies. Even if Tapsoba was used on the left, he'd still get game time if all of the above happened to Romero.
Tapsoba will go to the AFCON
Ange could use a back 3 on occasion.
Normal squad rotation in league and cups.

They won't be coming in as backup, they'll be coming in as viable first team options, regardless of whether we play a half dozen or so games, or not, in Europe.
 
Comes from a line of Coppers...
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Ohhh geez not this again!

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Don't you think modern professional footballers know there will be competition for places???

With that logic every professional football club on the planet earth would have only 11 players, and 4-5 local farmers on the bench!!!

I would rather get Skriniar, Gvardiol, and Laporte in, than worry about poor Van De Ven only getting 10 games next season!!

I give up!
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Oh geez not this again indeed...

Nonsense - as has already been discussed in this thread many times, all top clubs have some players from the top tier they can attract, and some players from the next tier down (at least). The simplest example is City with Haaland and Alvarez - no one in their right mind believes Alvarez is same level as Haaland, yet City don't appear to be looking around for a world class CF. Every club had preferred players for each position (with some differentials for certain types of fixture) and some players from the next level down who are happy to be that, and anyone who doesn't recognise that is being either extremely naive or utterly disingenuous.

If VdV is happy to sign knowing that he is likely to be not normal first choice because we are also signing Tapsoba, or because he's happy for any other reason (eg. getting games at LB) then that's great, but it's stupid to assume that he necessarily will think that.

Your example makes no sense - we are not talking about a first 11 then '4-5 local farmers on the bench', we are talking about first choice players, and second choice players. Every club in the PL has that same set-up, as it's the only way that makes sense and is practical.
 
I know everyone wants us to get two CBs, but where is the playing time? Romero is a starter unless he gets hurt. I can't see either VDV or Tapsoba coming in to be a backup.
Why are Woolwich signing Timber when they have Saliba and Gabriel? Why are City signing Gvardiol?

It's called depth. CB is our weakest area, we absolutely need two CBs of high quality otherwise we are back to Dier with one injury.
 
Oh geez not this again indeed...

Nonsense - as has already been discussed in this thread many times, all top clubs have some players from the top tier they can attract, and some players from the next tier down (at least). The simplest example is City with Haaland and Alvarez - no one in their right mind believes Alvarez is same level as Haaland, yet City don't appear to be looking around for a world class CF. Every club had preferred players for each position (with some differentials for certain types of fixture) and some players from the next level down who are happy to be that, and anyone who doesn't recognise that is being either extremely naive or utterly disingenuous.

If VdV is happy to sign knowing that he is likely to be not normal first choice because we are also signing Tapsoba, or because he's happy for any other reason (eg. getting games at LB) then that's great, but it's stupid to assume that he necessarily will think that.

Your example makes no sense - we are not talking about a first 11 then '4-5 local farmers on the bench', we are talking about first choice players, and second choice players. Every club in the PL has that same set-up, as it's the only way that makes sense and is practical.

People insist on imposing rules and absolutes on everything.......

Is it possible to convince a player to come despite a less that guaranteed starting spot? Of course...... Will every player want to take a bit of such a 'cherry'? No.

..........This really shouldn't be something to attract such conflict or be seen through such a polar lens.
 
Why are Woolwich signing Timber when they have Saliba and Gabriel? Why are City signing Gvardiol?

It's called depth. CB is our weakest area, we absolutely need two CBs of high quality otherwise we are back to Dier with one injury.
Did anybody watch football last season?

Did people not see how Pep finally managed to win a CL with City, by playing 3 and sometimes four cb's in a back four and ruthlessly turn over possession again, and again, and again. Size, physicality, technique. Dan Burn at lb for Newcastle. Ben White at rb for Woolwich. You're selling yourself short with any squad build that doesn't give you the option of playing like this in the coming season.
 
Why are Woolwich signing Timber when they have Saliba and Gabriel? Why are City signing Gvardiol?

It's called depth. CB is our weakest area, we absolutely need two CBs of high quality otherwise we are back to Dier with one injury.

Another common sense post today. :adesalute:. I like it.

Looks like the debate is starting to settle down after all the recent hysterical nonsense.

If a player declares himself happy to be a bench warmer or back up we shouldn't go anywhere near him..
 
Did anybody watch football last season?

Did people not see how Pep finally managed to win a CL with City, by playing 3 and sometimes four cb's in a back four and ruthlessly turn over possession again, and again, and again. Size, physicality, technique. Dan Burn at lb for Newcastle. Ben White at rb for Woolwich. You're selling yourself short with any squad build that doesn't give you the option of playing like this in the coming season.

So what you're saying is.....

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why do y'all care so much what fucking woolwich spends?
Because people spouts that we don't have any money and needs to sell before we buy!

We've had bigger revenues than them since the stadium was built, they haven't had CL since 2017.

So when people as an excuse say we can't spend big money, they are wrong!

Therefore are Woolwich a good comparison. Whatever they spend, we could spend.
 
People insist on imposing rules and absolutes on everything.......

Is it possible to convince a player to come despite a less that guaranteed starting spot? Of course...... Will every player want to take a bit of such a 'cherry'? No.

..........This really shouldn't be something to attract such conflict or be seen through such a polar lens.

Seems a bit of a pointless debate especially since Vdv can play LB as well, so we can absolutely sign both if needed, despite all that it's a step up for both players so they can either see it as an opportunity to play in the PL on more money or they can just sit on their current contracts and be happy at their current clubs, all comes down to mentality and whether they want to do it and how much they back themselves.
 

Micky van de Ven: A 'Cruyffian' talent, a 'fighter' & set for the Premier League?​

By Alex BysouthBBC Sport
Last updated on8 hours ago8 hours ago.From the sectionFootball

There was a time, not so long ago, when it seemed Micky van de Ven was surplus to requirements at a club in the Dutch second division.
That the 22-year-old Wolfsburg defender is now being touted with a move to the Premier League, with Tottenham heavily linked, speaks volumes of the player and the project that enabled the talented defender to flourish.

Van de Ven earned his breakthrough at Volendam following Wim Jonk's appointment in April 2019, with the new regime implementing the same 'Plan Cruyff' principles that proved successful at Ajax.
The teenager had been told by the previous management he was down the pecking order and free to look for another club, but was immediately handed a contract by Jonk's staff, who spotted a "raw diamond" in their under-19s.
Van de Ven quickly grew in stature at a club focused on playing attractive football, creating a performance culture and developing young players through bespoke individual programmes.
Within six months he was a regular starter in the first team in the Dutch second tier.

"We look differently," explains Volendam director Ruben Jongkind, the former head of talent development at Ajax who was responsible for writing and implementing Plan Cruyff.
"We have a lot of experience with youngsters. We look at strengths and we saw a Cruyffian defender - a lot of risk taking, incredible speed, I have never seen something like that.
"We also saw defensively he was a little bit weak, especially in agility, one-on-one defending, heading, some things in the tactical area. They are things we could work on.
"His special weapon was already there. I worked at Ajax with fast players, but this was incredible."
That pace was tested in a 60m dash.
"He ran seven seconds flat," laughs Jongkind, who has a background in athletics. "After a training session, with a standing start!"
Van de Ven's development in Volendam, a fishing village 18 miles north of Amsterdam, was swift. He racked up 48 appearances over two seasons and captained the 'The Other Orange'.
"We absolutely believed in his abilities," adds Jongkind. "We have worked with Matthijs de Ligt, Noussair Mazraoui, Sergino Dest, Toby Alderweireld, Sven Botman, good defenders.
"We knew the level he could reach potentially. That is basically the same trick we did at Ajax between 2010 and 2016 - to see the strength of the players, the potential and help them develop in the right environment.
"We worked a lot on him. He gained 10kg, tactically he became much stronger. Mentally he was already strong but he gained a top-sport mindset, training hard and taking care of himself. His heading improved a lot, technically he improved."

A landmark transfer ruling​

Without the financial resources of Ajax, however, Volendam operate a sustainable transfer policy based on discovering "high-potential talents" and eventually selling them on.
Van de Ven had interest from top clubs in Spain and elsewhere, but it was Bundesliga outfit Wolfsburg who signed the defender for £3.15m two years ago in a transfer that was consequential for Dutch football.
After Volendam rejected initial bids from Wolfsburg and Marseille, the player and his agent at the time, Mino Raiola, took the club to court seeking a dissolution of his contract on the grounds of an "irreparably disrupted working relationship".
They argued a move would significantly improve his sporting and financial position.
The Arbitration Committee of the KNVB (Royal Dutch Football Association) ruled in Volendam's favour and the club held out for a higher fee, as well as a healthy sell-on percentage of his next transfer.
Jongkind, who believed the player would one day be worth about 50m euros, says it set a precedent for clubs in the Netherlands, whose young prospects could otherwise be picked off on the cheap.

A 'great boy' with 'extreme speed'​

Van de Ven had to be patient during his first season in Germany, not helped by a hamstring injury, but played 90 minutes in all but one Bundesliga game as Wolfsburg finished eighth last term.
The Dutchman's pace, now the subject of a viral online clip in which he runs the length of the pitch to make a goalline clearance, saw him clocked as the quickest centre-back in the league, registering a top speed of 22.3mph.
"Left foot, extreme speed, plays every second," is how Wolfsburg's managing director for sport Marcel Schafer summed him up, adding he has shown "incredible development".
Standing at almost 6ft4in and predominantly featuring as a central defender, the versatile youngster also started six of 36 appearances in all competitions at left-back.
Compared to other centre-backs in Europe's top five leagues, according to fbref.com, he ranked highly for progressive carries and successful take-ons and above average for pass completion (87.7%) and progressive passes, but lower on tackles, clearances, interceptions and aerial duels.
"Micky is a great boy, a really good footballer," added Wolfsburg boss Niko Kovac.

'He is such a winner, a fighter'​

Van de Ven was called up to the Netherlands' preliminary World Cup squad last year but is yet to make his senior debut, instead captaining the under-21s during an ultimately unsuccessful Euros campaign in Georgia this summer.
"He is such a winner, a fighter, he doesn't want to lose, never, he will give everything," explains Jongkind. "Off the pitch, he is growing as well.
"He was very young when he was with us and also needed to develop his personality off the pitch, you need that when you play in the Premier League."
If that is to be at Tottenham, he appears to fit the mould for an Ange Postecoglou side looking for a left-sided centre-back expected to play expressive, attacking football.
But Van de Ven has also been linked with Liverpool, who appointed former Wolfsburg sporting director Jorg Schmadtke in January.
Either way, a Premier League move will both benefit Volendam financially and prove validation for the work taking place at the Eredivisie club.
"He is the kind of player who needs the challenge," adds Jongkind, who always believed the youngster was destined for the top. "He fought hard to get where he had to be.
"We have tracked everything very carefully because these kinds of transfers will help Volendam enormously.
"For such a small club, something in the formula must be right - it is inspired and stimulated by Johan Cruyff, so it must be good!"
 
Why are Woolwich signing Timber when they have Saliba and Gabriel? Why are City signing Gvardiol?

It's called depth. CB is our weakest area, we absolutely need two CBs of high quality otherwise we are back to Dier with one injury.
Because they are in Europe and playing 2 games a week most of the season and can rotate.
We are not in Europe and most weeks we will have only 1 game.
We want and need ambitious players not those who are happy to come here to sit on the bench.
 
Why are Woolwich signing Timber when they have Saliba and Gabriel? Why are City signing Gvardiol?

It's called depth. CB is our weakest area, we absolutely need two CBs of high quality otherwise we are back to Dier with one injury.
Simple fact: we can only sign players who agree to sign for us. All anyone is saying about VdV is that he MIGHT not want to come if he knows we are signing Tapsoba, but if he does then great. If he doesn't then we need to sign either him or Tapsoba (or whoever else is appropriate) as 'normal first choice' and someone else who is happy not to be 'normal first choice' but is also as better as possible than what we already have.
 
I know everyone wants us to get two CBs, but where is the playing time? Romero is a starter unless he gets hurt. I can't see either VDV or Tapsoba coming in to be a backup.

Romero needs a major kick up the arse, he's had it on easy street and been fully indulged since coming to Spurs because he's knows he's the best defender at the club so he absolutely needs the competition for his place. I like him as a player but we need someone to push him.
 
Seems a bit of a pointless debate especially since Vdv can play LB as well, so we can absolutely sign both if needed, despite all that it's a step up for both players so they can either see it as an opportunity to play in the PL on more money or they can just sit on their current contracts and be happy at their current clubs, all comes down to mentality and whether they want to do it and how much they back themselves.

Indeed, but you could still slice it two ways even if they do come...

Are they happy to compete?
or
Are the happy to take the dosh and concede to being a mere squad player if it comes to it?


Only time tells either way.
 
Or it could simply be that moving to Spurs is upward mobility and he backs himself. I'd even go so far as to say that he likely doesn't give a flying fuck who else we sign in defence, he'll back himself to nail down the starting spot.

This isn't like decent strikers giving us a swerve because Harry Kane is never being supplanted.
If he has the mentality we want, this is exactly what he’s should be thinking
 
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